'ROckwrok'

Posted by: Wide Boy

'ROckwrok' - Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:19:00

Dear Billy,

Sorry to bother you with a question which, perhaps, should be directed at Mr Foxx; but seeing as yourself and Warren are the only two band members who turn up on this forum, you get saddled with these enquiries... and it's your turn, as I've already bugged Warren with a question about Chris.

Anyway, I'm wondering if you know why 'ROckwrok' isn't more conventionally spelled, e.g. 'Rockrock' or 'Rock Rock' or .....

John once reported that when writing and recording 'Metamatic', he imagined himself as the Marcel Duchamp of the music world. Dou you know if the spelling of 'ROckwrok' was inspired by the name of the single-issue arts journal Duchamp put together, called 'Rongwrong'?

Scott

P.S. If you can shed any light on the question I put to Warren about Chris's stage-names, that would be great... (see page 3 of the 'Videogame design director?' thread in Chris's area of the forum)
Posted by: the church puddle

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:34:00

Hey Scott,

I can answer your question re: CC's stagenames.

Presuming that I am allowed to quote an excerpt of EV 17's interview with Chris, this is what was asked and what was said:

EV: How did you arrive at Chris Cross and Chris St John as stage names?

CC: I had a photo taken in Cambridge with a street sign (St. Johns Road I think) behind me and St. John seemed more interesting to me than Allen. Cross developed from a wacky discussion when we all came up with daft names. Billy Bear was suggested for our Bill. It was just a laugh at the time (honest).

Hope this helps.

Mark smile
Posted by: Pater Noster

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:48:00

Puddle

as we have had, elsewhere on this site, talk about how one's interpretation can be as important as "reality" (which is a very subjective concept anyway !) - i would like to say that "ROCKwrok" to me was a mis-spelling of "Rockwork"; presumably referring to certain "clockwork" types of rock bands who may run on time but don't have any surprises? What do u think of this possible interpretation?

Best Wishes
Grant
Posted by: Pater Noster

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:01:00

Just a slight addition; my suspicion on this was fuelled by a John Foxx quote to the effect that the title was "mis-spelled". I filled in the rest with intuition (elementary my dear Watson).

Grant
Posted by: Billy Currie

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sun, 17 Apr 2005 01:38:00

You need to ask Dennis about this Wide Boy. The Duchamp story is kinda familiar though. I always loved this track. Good to play live!
Best,
Billy
Posted by: the church puddle

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 00:53:00

Hey Grant

To be honest I never really thought about it. Nor have I listened to the lyrics that closely. In fact running the song through in my head I don't even know what some of them are.

E.g.
"Penetration boys and hotel names, invitations on sinking ships, the whole wide world is here today"

That can't be right can it lol? wink
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:26:00

Quote:
Originally posted by The Church Puddle:
E.g.
"Penetration boys and hotel names, invitations on sinking ships, the whole wide world is here today"

That can't be right can it lol? wink
I have:

Penetration boys in hotel lifts
Invitations on sinking ships
The whole wide world fits hip to hip


Mrs. X
Posted by: Mike C

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:04:00

Spot on Mrs X, the sheet music I have for this song agrees with you. smile It's also quite easy to decipher that particular section.
Posted by: Flip Martian

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:14:00

"When its wet and hot you want to Rockwrok...Rockwrok...Rockwrok...Rockwrok..."

WhatEVER could he have been talking about? <img border="0" alt="[Suave]" title="" src="graemlins/suave.gif" />
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:22:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Mike _C:
Spot on Mrs X, the sheet music I have for this song agrees with you. smile It's also quite easy to decipher that particular section.
Yes, it's one of the easier parts to decipher, unlike some other bits... wink

Mrs. X
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:25:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Flip Martian:
"When its wet and hot you want to Rockwrok...Rockwrok...Rockwrok...Rockwrok..."

WhatEVER could he have been talking about? <img border="0" alt="[Suave]" title="" src="graemlins/suave.gif" />
Oh and don't forget there's also:

"A nimble mambo in the park, park," "a sombre rhumba in the dark, dark," and "a doodlebugger in the dark, dark..." wink <img border="0" alt="[Suave]" title="" src="graemlins/suave.gif" />

Hmmmmmmmm! By the way...what is a 'doodlebugger?'

Mrs. X
Posted by: Flip Martian

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:35:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. X:

Hmmmmmmmm! By the way...what is a 'doodlebugger?'

Mrs. X
I think that's what he called "his little manservant"...if you follow me... lmao
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:38:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Flip Martian:
I think that's what he called "his little manservant"...if you follow me... lmao
HAHAHAHA!!! I THOUGHT as much!!!! lmao

So he was into cute little pet names for it, was he? wink <img border="0" alt="[Suave]" title="" src="graemlins/suave.gif" />

Mrs. X
Posted by: Mike C

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:52:00

..and I'm not sure about "An anal sailor" eek eek

Mrs X - the lyrics I have say that it's a "stumble rhumba" and not sombre rhumba. smile And doodle bugger could be two words but I don't think that changes the meaning. lmao
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:59:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Mike _C:
..and I'm not sure about "An anal sailor" eek eek
"Anal sailor" could be open to interpretation. Originally, I took it as "anal" meaning "stuck up" or "snobby." However, seeing as there seems to be several other sexual references in the song, it could mean...er...something a little more risqu, shall we say... wink
Quote:
Mrs X - the lyrics I have say that it's a "stumble rhumba" and not sombre rhumba. smile And doodle bugger could be two words but I don't think that changes the meaning. lmao
I'll check on the "stumble rhumba/sombre rhumba" bit. And yes...whether it be one word or two words, the meaning's still the same, I think! I'm pretty sure that Phil is right. laugh wink

Mrs. X
Posted by: Flip Martian

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:16:00

I was only making it up... biglaugh shock
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:21:00

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Flip Martian:
<strong>I was only making it up... lmao laugh

Mrs. X
Posted by: Shadow Man

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:10:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Billy Currie:
You need to ask Dennis about this Wide Boy. The Duchamp story is kinda familiar though. I always loved this track. Good to play live!
Best,
Billy
Hi Billy

Have you ever thought about working with John together again ? Would be interesting to hear the result! I hope this question is not too much privacy, but I mean it serious. You both make music today - so why not together for a project?

Regards, Andreas
Posted by: Billy Currie

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:26:00

Yes I have thought about it Shadow Man!
Would be cool.
Best,
Billy
Posted by: 1.Outside

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:32:00

Wow, that would be amazing.
Posted by: Lavaocean

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:35:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Flip Martian:
Quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. X:
[b]
Hmmmmmmmm! By the way...what is a 'doodlebugger?'

Mrs. X
I think that's what he called "his little manservant"...if you follow me... lmao [/b]
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

How can a naughty conversation take place without Grant and me here?!!

lmao lmao lmao

doodlebugger - LOL
Posted by: DougG

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:40:00

Pop !

wink
Posted by: Lavaocean

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:41:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Billy Currie:
Yes I have thought about it Shadow Man!
Would be cool.
Best,
Billy
Are you two still in touch at all?

And Billy, since you are so sincere: any other constellations imaginable from your side (regardless of the circumstances - geographical, financial, occupational, whatever else)?

(Sorry if these questions was asked/discussed before I joined the forum)
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:35:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Lavaocean:
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

How can a naughty conversation take place without Grant and me here?!!

lmao lmao lmao

doodlebugger - LOL
Because I beat you to it. wink biglaugh Leave it to me to participate in something naughty! Although I didn't start it. It was Phil!! shock

You should follow these things more carefully, dear. wink laugh

Mrs. X
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:37:00

Quote:
Originally posted by DougG:
Pop !

wink
Somehow, I don't think this definition would fit the context of the song. wink

Mrs. X
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:40:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Billy Currie:
Yes I have thought about it Shadow Man!
Would be cool.
Best,
Billy
It definitely would be cool, and something I would look forward to hearing should it ever happen.

Mrs. X
Posted by: Oesterreicher II

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:58:00

Whilst I confess that my greatest attachment is to the pomp and mittel-European circumstance of the trilbys and trenchcoats era VIENNA/R.I.E. material and sound, the idea of Messrs. Currie and Leigh collaborating again fills me with a great degree of excitement, especially given their respective current outputs. It would be a powerful alliance with surely stirring results.
Posted by: Lavaocean

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:24:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Oesterreicher II:
Whilst I confess that my greatest attachment is to the pomp and mittel-European circumstance of the trilbys and trenchcoats era VIENNA/R.I.E. material and sound, the idea of Messrs. Currie and Leigh collaborating again fills me with a great degree of excitement, especially given their respective current outputs. It would be a powerful alliance with surely stirring results.
2 - how are you these days? You have not been sighted too often around here recently. Hmmm... (missed you!) confused
Posted by: Oesterreicher II

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:20:00

I've been fine, thanks for asking, just busy with work. As a self employed individual, it's always a balancing act between being busy and being self un-employed! the acting world is a fickle mistress, and I spend most of my time these days doing interactive training work (known as "Role-playing" - although maybe that has other, after-hours connotations to certain pleasantly broad minds here! Maybe I should explore that avenue, too - gigolos and gigolettes!) which itself can be a little variable in frequency. If anyone out there need such a development service . . .

I've been away, too, to France for a spot of heavy labour. All in all, it's conspired to take my time and computer out of reach and I'm only now catching up.

It's nice to be back and to "meet" so many familiar names and turns and quirks of phrase again!

Next time, I shall try and send a postcard (hopefully from Vienna, where I'd like to spend my fast-approaching 40th).
Posted by: Lavaocean

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:39:00

2 - great you're back! Tell me about the inestabilities of self-employment! laugh

And I am of course familiar with the type of role plays you are referring to... smile If you really are a communication trainer, then PLEASE think it over again - about whether you are really sure it will be Vienna in May or...?

Are you going to Crewe? I am waiting for one feedback but am trying to arrange the trip. Would be great to see you.
viking

Sorry, Bill, we're in the wrong thread. I think in English you say "I'll get me coat"... wink
Posted by: Shadow Man

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:40:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Billy Currie:
Yes I have thought about it Shadow Man!
Would be cool.
Best,
Billy
Great ,Billy!

If I get a chance to speak with John in Brighton after the Harold Budd gig I will ask him this Question too. All I can say is I would love to hear a collaboration work of you and perhaps seeing you performing live together. I'm sure many people from these forum would love this too. This would be a very big news... excited

It is good to know your opinion to this question, thank's for it. smile

Bye, Andreas
Posted by: PASSINGSTRANGER

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:55:00

Quote:
I'm sure many people from these forum would love this too. This would be a very big news...
While I have to agree totally with Shadowman, I think the interest would go far beyond this forum.
Why hell, they could even use the name Ultravox!! shock
Messrs Currie and Leigh's musical ability and creativness just gets better with time. Watched the Human League live at the Dome on DVD last night,Phil Oakey can still pull it off! Excellent!
Mentioned being in awe of John and Louis <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />
Kind regards all! smile
Posted by: Chris C

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:23:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Billy Currie:
Yes I have thought about it Shadow Man!
Would be cool.
Best,
Billy
Go for it!

You're a fantastic synth duo. John also knows how to rock the old ARP your way!

Chris C laugh
Posted by: Lavaocean

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:40:00

Hmmm... Has anyone invited Billy to the Monument gig in Crewe? confused

I suppose so (just asking for the sake of complete information)...

OK, OK, I'll get me coat... :rolleyes:
Posted by: LaptopRockers

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Mon, 25 Apr 2005 02:15:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Billy Currie:
Yes I have thought about it Shadow Man!
Would be cool.
Best,
Billy
Wow!

Make it happen, Billy! You're both still writing quality material so why not?

Bloody marvellous idea!

David
http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk
Posted by: Wide Boy

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Fri, 06 May 2005 19:44:00

Quote:
Originally posted by The Church Puddle:
Hey Scott,

I can answer your question re: CC's stagenames.

Presuming that I am allowed to quote an excerpt of EV 17's interview with Chris, this is what was asked and what was said:

EV: How did you arrive at Chris Cross and Chris St John as stage names?

CC: I had a photo taken in Cambridge with a street sign (St. Johns Road I think) behind me and St. John seemed more interesting to me than Allen. Cross developed from a wacky discussion when we all came up with daft names. Billy Bear was suggested for our Bill. It was just a laugh at the time (honest).

Hope this helps.

Mark smile
Sorry for the dalay in acknowledging this, Mark. Thanks for the information - much appreciated (although it's a shame it kills off my neat theory... frown )

Billy, thanks for your reply. As for the idea of yourself and John working together again... well, what a thought! I suspect the results would be truly something special. Do all of us a huge favour, please, and pursue this.

Rob, could you have a word in John's shell-like the next time you see him?

Cheers all,

Scott
Posted by: Luna

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:04:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Billy Currie:
Yes I have thought about it Shadow Man!
Would be cool.
Best,
Billy
I got to the party a bit late, but I think it would be absolutely amazing if you could get together with Foxx again, even if for just one album... or song, as beggars can't be choosers! Count me and my wallet in if this ever comes to fruition! lurve
Posted by: Cerise

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:26:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Mike _C:
Spot on Mrs X, the sheet music I have for this song agrees with you. smile It's also quite easy to decipher that particular section.
Mike - you have SHEET MUSIC for it?! eek

Any chance of a scan? Any others you have? laugh Think we've just got The Collection, Rage in Eden, The Gift, Answers and a few odd songs. Will be putting all those on the site shortly to aid those 'air guitar' moments.
Posted by: Mike C

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:02:00

Cerise - of course you can have a copy. smile
As well as Rockwrok I've got the sheet music for Slow Motion, The Wild, The Beautiful & The Damned, Dislocation, Hiroshima and A Distant Smile.

I bought them from Island Music in 1980 for the sum of 1 per song. Sent off my postal order and SAE and they duly arrived. I wanted to buy more but unfortunately that's all they had at the time. I enquired a few months later and was told that they weren't producing the sheet music anymore. Pity.

If you want them all I'll scan them and mail them to you sometime over the next few days. laugh
Posted by: Cerise

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:27:00

Ooo, what a star you are, Mike! Yes please, the lot would be good. Could you possibly do them at 300dpi? Pretty please? laugh kiss kiss kiss
Posted by: Luca

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:08:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Cerise:
Quote:
Originally posted by Mike _C:
[b]Spot on Mrs X, the sheet music I have for this song agrees with you. smile It's also quite easy to decipher that particular section.
Mike - you have SHEET MUSIC for it?! eek

Any chance of a scan? Any others you have? laugh Think we've just got The Collection, Rage in Eden, The Gift, Answers and a few odd songs. Will be putting all those on the site shortly to aid those 'air guitar' moments.[/b]
Cerise,

a week ago I wrote on another thread that I have RIE & The Collection sheet music and several people asked me for a scan... didn't know they could be put on this site (I was assuming that it was copyrighted material).
I would love to have the Foxx-era songs, and I think I can contribute (if you don't already have them) with the "pink thing" sheet music I saw in a little shop a while ago.
Ciao,
Luca
Posted by: Cerise

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:41:00

Lovely, thanks Luca! laugh

Copyright's a difficult thing - whilst we have sought permission from photographers and magazines etc for much of the photographic and press material we will be putting up, it's not always possible to get hold of the right person (it being such a long time ago). So we're going to publish everything we have, but if we are contacted by the copyright owner and asked to remove something, we will immediately do it. smile
Posted by: Mike C

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:17:00

Cerise - I've scanned the sheet music at 300 dpi and each one comes out at nearly 1mb in size or thereabouts. They're in PDF format and I'll send you them tomorrow individually to avoid crashing my mailbox. Cheers. laugh
Posted by: Cerise

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:02:00

Thanks Mike, brilliant! laugh
Posted by: Mike C

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:54:00

Emails sent. I had a bit of trouble sending the Hiroshima Mon Amour sheet music as Norton Mail Scanner didn't seem to like the word Hiroshima in the title. I removed it and then it went without any bother. But if you have any problems retrieving it please let me know. laugh
Posted by: Dadge

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:27:00

I always heard it as "Do the bugger in the park." It's a great song anyway. I wonder if one of us can get it played on Radio 2? That'd be a lark! A
Posted by: Dadge

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:31:00

And as far as reunions are concerned, my (UV-related) dream has always been a one-off gig for the fans at the Albert Hall, with John, Midge, Billy, Chris, Warren, Robin, Stevie, Louis, etc. mainly playing 70s stuff, but later stuff too. excited
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sat, 24 Sep 2005 23:25:00

What, like an Ultravox supergroup kind of thing? Sounds interesting, but I don't think I could see John or Stevie on stage during "Dancing With Tears In My Eyes"... :p lmao

Mrs. X
Posted by: Shadow Man

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:44:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. X:
What, like an Ultravox supergroup kind of thing? Sounds interesting, but I don't think I could see John or Stevie on stage during "Dancing With Tears In My Eyes"... :p lmao

Mrs. X
I think too, John with Ultravox is history (Great history!!)
But I think too there is a reasonable chance John and Billy work together one day. Both said in interviews "Never say never". And Billy wrote it in this topic too.

Billy! I would stay in the first line of the stage if you and John realise it one day!!! wink

This would be a great present for all your fans!

Bye, Shadow Mandreas
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:29:00

I kind of (secretly, mind you) hold out for the possibility of a FoxxVox reunion (with Stevie Shears)...but yes, it would be wonderful if Billy and John could work together again! I'm sure the two of them could put out something spectacular. lurve

Mrs. X
Posted by: birdsong

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:53:00

Can I stick my two penn'orth in here?

In an interview in 1979, John describes RockWrok as "a simple celebration of sex. The idea of the song is a take-off of what rock'n'roll is all about. And it's meant to be structured like a 1920's porn movie. Very jerky and quick. Lots of images all thrown in together."
Billy agrees, referring to the song as light-hearted and comical. There's even a suggestion that Charlie Chaplin can be imagined doing some of the things described!!

Personally I think there's a bit more to it than that, as I have mentioned on a similar thread about My Sex. I reckon this song reflects the explosion of sex and music that happened in early 1977.

As for the spelling, I would imagine John just liked the play on words and was being deliberately tongue-in-cheek about it.
I wonder if there is also the remotest nod to Kraftwerk's piece "RuckZuck" from 1971, which translates (I think?) as "hurry up" or "do it quickly" - seems to make sense with John's description above.
That track is spelled with a capital 'z' as I think RockWrok is. Maybe that's the mispelling of the title John referred to??
Posted by: Mrs. X

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:26:00

Quote:
Originally posted by birdsong:
That track is spelled with a capital 'z' as I think RockWrok is. Maybe that's the mispelling of the title John referred to??
Nope! It's spelt "ROckwrok," with the capital R O. In his interview (so far) with Jonas Warstad, Warren had this to say about the (mis)spelling:

"Regarding the unusual spelling of 'ROckwrok'... it was spelled that way simply because that's how John Foxx wrote out the song information for the sleeve, he wanted it spelled in that particular fashion. I can only presume he thought it looked better that way."

Mrs. X
Posted by: birdsong

Re: 'ROckwrok' - Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:04:00

Thanks, Mrs! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />