Billy's screamin' lead sound

Posted by: Scott McPhee

Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:46:00

Help!
I've got ImpOscar and Oddity plug-ins that I use on the PC and I am trying to get Billy's screamin' lead solo sound - the one he used in Hymn.
Can anyone help?
I think it was done on the ARP but if anyone has the sound as a loadable patch for the ImpOscan or the Oddity I would be very grateful!

Will play drums in return for help!

Cheers
Scott
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 05:51:00

Hi Scott!

Yes, I can help you! Ive programmed the leadsound myself on my Oddity - originally Billy
used his Arp Odyssey - so send me an email, and I`ll send you a couple of patches for the Oddity.
Remember to use some fx: Overdrive/distortion and
flanger!
All The Best!
JesperDK
Posted by: DaveGlover

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 05:59:00

Hi

I've been trying to emulate this sound for a while too! - I have the Oddity, which I can't really make any sense of!!! My favourite soft synth is the impOSCar.

The closest I've got is to load the Oscar preset bank (after the 10 or so big programmes, I think that the Oscar patch is the original synth defaults), and there is a preset on there called LFOlead or something like that, it's definately a lead!!. If you increase the filter drive to full, turn the effects on, chorus to about half, delay level up to half, glide to around 10pm, wheel bend to full, then play using the wheel bend for dives, and the 'PitchMod' control for the out of control vibrato, I think you get the basic flavour.

The real deal though, is that it's in the player, rather than a patch - Billy Currie would sound awesome playing a Casio VL Tone!

Dave
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:13:00

Well Scott, they should be in your email know! wink
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:20:00

Well Dve - they should be in your email too! wink
Comments and suggestions are very welcome from both
of you!
JesperDK
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:03:00

Quote:
Originally posted by JesperDK:
Well Scott, they should be in your email know! wink
Hi Jesper!
Many thanks for the patches and the kind emails - I'll load them into Oddity and give them a go.
I'm really a drummer, not a keyboard player, but I love messing around and I always loved the screaming lead sound that Billy got and wondered how he did it.
The Oddity does kind of screw my head up when I look at the interface - all looks very complicated to me!
I am running Oddity through Cubase SX3 - whats the best way to add things like distortion, flange etc?
I think a lot of it really is down to the way Billy plays though - he makes the notes just seem to flow and glide into one another - a genius!
Many thanks for your help!
Scott
Posted by: casm

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:25:00

oooh! can i be really cheeky and scrounge a copy of them patches too please??? smile
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:27:00

How do I load the .PST files you sent me into the Oddity?
It only seems to accept banks .PBK files?

Help!
Scott
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:28:00

Quote:
Originally posted by casm:
oooh! can i be really cheeky and scrounge a copy of them patches too please??? smile
No Problem - as long as Jesper doesn't mind.

...and you can tell me how to load .PST files into the Oddity!

Scott
Posted by: casm

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:33:00

erm, im not sure actually, i havent tried myself. i`ll try and find out.
as for the patches, i`ll just wait till jesper agrees first as i wouldnt wanna grab them without the owners say so. smile
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:48:00

Hey!
Of course you can have the sounds Casm - so just
send him the sounds!!! smile
Well, loading the sounds: I use Logic and in Logic there is a folder where you can put all your single-sounds (Its called "plug-in settings" in Logic. There must be such a folder
in Cubase too. Try that!
If it doesn`t function we will have to solve
that problem! smile
All The Best!
JesperDK
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:53:00

Well, the efx:
You could add the overdrive/distortion as an insert effect
on the channel and add the flanger or delay if you wish using the sends/returns.
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:53:00

Hi jesper,
Nothing like that in Cubase SX 3 and the Oddity refuses to load these single sounds.
Can you send me them as part of a BANK file please - a .PBK file.

Scott
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:12:00

Hi Scott!
I don`t use entire banks (pbk) but I will create
one sometime tomorrow - and then I`ll send it to you. I will also ask one of friends about the Cubase-"problem".

Sleep well!
JesperDK
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:49:00

Thanks Jesper.
I cant see a way of getting Oddity to load individual sounds like that at all - it all has to be done using banks - these .PBK files.
I am using Cubase SX 3 on the PC to run Oddity.
Many thanks for your help - can't wait to hear your sounds!
Scott
Posted by: Flip Martian

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:31:00

I've got Oddity at home - will have a look tonight if no-one's solved it by then. smile
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:57:00

I still cant see a way of loading individual sounds into Oddity running thru Cubase SX 3 on the PC.

Bummer! confused

Anyone help! I really want to get as close to Billy's screamin' lead sound as I can - it must be possible - yeah?

Scott
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:05:00

Oddity can only load BANKS of sounds not individual sounds themselves.
See pages 6, 7 and 8 of the Oddity user guide.

Unless!! You use Logic - which enables you to load and save individual sounds.
Bit of a bummer if you, like me, and running Oddity on the PC thru Cubase SX 3!

Jesper - can you send me those sounds a spart of a bank please? It's the only way I will be able to load them.

Ta
Scott
Posted by: Flip Martian

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:33:00

Scott

I'm assuming you have the edit window of the Oddity open - so you can see all the virtual sliders, yeah?

Ignore the "load" option bottom left. At the top of that screen you can see a drop down menu which shows all the sounds when you select it. Just to the right of that you can see file menu with options (when you click on it) for loading and saving banks and also individual files. Just hit "load individual file" and load up the sound from wherever you saved it.

That's it. It does work - I just did it myself.
Posted by: casm

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:40:00

is that using cubase or logic tho? cos im trying that in cubase and it does not want to recognise the patch, even if you rename the extention.
Posted by: Flip Martian

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:47:00

Sorry should've said. Cubase (5.1 actually). Haven't tried Jesper's patch as I don't have it - I just saved a test patch of my own, changed banks, then loaded that 1 sound back in.
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:56:00

Hi everybody!
Well you should all have received an email
now - including you Phil! smile
It`s the first patch/sound in the bank!
Hope it works this time!

Im going to bed - I`ve cought a cold - damn!
All The Best
JesperDK
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:05:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Flip Martian:
Sorry should've said. Cubase (5.1 actually). Haven't tried Jesper's patch as I don't have it - I just saved a test patch of my own, changed banks, then loaded that 1 sound back in.
The "Load Instrument" option loads .FXP files - Jesper's sound was a .PST file when we cannot get to load.

Got the sound in a bank file - just off to try it now!

Scott
Posted by: casm

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:09:00

thanks very much, having some fun with it now smile
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:14:00

Well....just a comment:
I think the sound Ive programmed
is a bit more of a "live-sound" that Billy
used...it`s a bit more sharp or piercing
or what you call it in english - a little
bit better for live-perfomance - cuts through!!!
Comments and suggestions etc. are more than
welcome smile

JesperDK
Posted by: Flip Martian

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:33:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Scott McPhee:
The "Load Instrument" option loads .FXP files - Jesper's sound was a .PST file when we cannot get to load.
Scott
Well that would certainly be why then... smile

Well the bank he's sent works well at least. Sounds great, well done Jesper. laugh
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:37:00

Hi everybody!
Well, as Flip pointed out in an email,
the need of a hardware controller becomes
quite obvious here - when you want to play
the Oddity the Billy-way! smile
I use a Dopfer Pocket Dial myself (only knobs)
but as Flip also points out, it will make
a BIG difference in this case - with the
Oditty - that the controller has sliders!
I think some of the Doepfer`s have that.
Ill (we`ll) have to save some money again! smile

JesperDK
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:40:00

and THANKS for the very very kind words
everybody!!! smile
Please let us all know if you have some
great suggestions about modifying the sound!!!
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:30:00

Yeah many thanks Jesper - sounds great!
I use a Roland D-10 as a midi controller, but drums are more my instrument. I still love messing around with my keyboards though - especially ImpOscar and Oddity.

....I just need to work out how to add some cool overdrive and flange to jespers cool sound with Cubase SX 3!
....or I could just push the sound through my VS-2480 and add it there - much easier!

Scott
Posted by: Broadwave

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:21:00

The vital part to re-creating his sound is to use square wave for Osc 2, Sync and Ring Mod.

Set VCO 2 to Square - no PWM, switch on Sync, raise the sliders for ring mod and Osc 2 into the filter mixer, set ADSR to the Filter Voltage control, Sustain should be max, AR to the VCA, and ADSR into VCO2 Voltage control.

Open your VCF to 75%(ish)... you should now hear something... Hold a note and raise the VCO2 VC Mod (ADSR) slider up... Sound familiar? Try lowering the Frequency of VCO 2 also - that helps.

A bit of overdrive and flanger helps (Specifically Electo Harmonix Electric Mistress).

I tend to find that the Oddity is too "static" sounding - the original Odyssey's ring mod used to make a continual grungy gurggle (at least mine did!), something I can't re-create on the Oddity, but can on the Roland JP8000 (which is a superb Oddy replacement).

Hope this helps
Posted by: Broadwave

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:45:00

Oooh, ooh, ooh... Almost forgot... for THAT vibrato sound, raise LFO CV into OSC 1 - Phew!

Would it be easier if I upload an Oddy template somewhere?
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:40:00

Hi Mo`s Lotion!

THANKS - really really GREAT - even more
POWER!!! laugh
And I think you are just right: Maybe a big
surprise to many people...the Roland JP8000
is actually a really really great substitude
for the Arp - you can program some reeaaaly
GREAT Currie-leads using the Feedback OSC!!!

Thanks again and all the best! smile
JesperDK
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:15:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Mo's Lotion:
Oooh, ooh, ooh... Almost forgot... for THAT vibrato sound, raise LFO CV into OSC 1 - Phew!

Would it be easier if I upload an Oddy template somewhere?
Yeah - can you email me your Oddity's bank file please (the .PBK file) - the once containing this sound so I can try it out?
Many Thanks
Scott
Posted by: Broadwave

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:30:00

The template I have will have to be scanned, as it's from an original ARP Odyssey template I did about 17 years ago!!

I'll see how close I can recreate it on the Oddity and put up a link.
Posted by: Scott McPhee

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:22:00

That would be great - sorry, I thought you had re-created it in the Oddity,

If anyone has any other cool Oddity or Oscar banks - email them to me and I would be glad to host them.

Scott
Posted by: gazzashiatsu

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:46:00

hi,i also have the oddity & imposcar.
any chance of mailing me the lead patches please.
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 06:10:00

Hi Gazza! smile

Unfortunately I don`t have the Oddity anymore
or the great lead patch I did, but try and
mail Scott or Flip - people here are always
very helpful!

If I were you, then I would buy the Billy
Currie Signature soundset for the impOSCar!
There are a lot of great sounds in there
including the LGA lead! You can buy it here:
http://www.gforcesoftware.com/signature_sounds.php

Good luck!
Jesper
Posted by: gazzashiatsu

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:05:00

thanx jesper:)
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:27:00

You got mail! I`ve just sent you an old
Odyseey patch sheet I still got!
But I would still ask Flip and Scott!

wink
Posted by: Sleepwalker

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:38:00

I also have a copy of Billy's ARP Odyssey 'Lead Sound' on an old patch sheet, that was given to me by the guy i bought my Odyssey from.

It's spot on & even better when fed through either an Electric Mistress or MXR T-117 flanger

Give me a shout if anyone would like a copy of this.
I also have a patch sheet with Chris's 'Moog bass' patch for the Minimoog cool
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:00:00

Chris`s Minimoog patch sheet...YES Please!!! cool

Well, it must have been you Sleepy, who gave
me the Odyssey patch sheet back then!

smile
Posted by: gazzashiatsu

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:46:00

thanks jesper

'sleepwalker'...yes please!
Posted by: gazzashiatsu

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:18:00

hi jesper,
dont seem to have recieved email?
can resend please:)
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:10:00

Hi Gazza! smile
You got mail again - hopefully!

I received some sort of a "Time Out"
mail, when I sent the first one. Strange!

Let`s hope it works this time!

Jesper
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:45:00

"Time out"-email again!
What`s happening? confused
Posted by: gazzashiatsu

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:06:00

hi jesper, i got your email.
but when i replied it returned a problem?

so thanks again here.
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:02:00

Great!!! smile
Strange problem though...
Posted by: Broadwave

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:23:00

Well, it's now official... Billy *is* using Gmedia's Oddity and VSM and Chris is using Minimonsta as part of their live setup - I guess it would be an obvious choice really.

http://www.gforcesoftware.com/

Meanwhile, I'm waiting for an ARP Solus to arrive from the US. It's not working frown but I'm sure I can breathe some life into it excited
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:38:00

Congratulation Mr Arp wink
If anyone can make it work, it`s you!

smile
Posted by: dagga36

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:23:00

OOH! I have imposcar, minimonsta & Oddity.. must get hold of VSM & M tron pro smile
Posted by: Broadwave

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:24:00

ARP Solus arrived yesterday at 3:30pm... Had it all working by 6:45pm excited

Not quite as versatile as the Oddy, but still sounds great, and apart from not being able to modulate VCO 1 on it's own (I've a few modifications ready to go) it can do Billy's lead with no problem smile
Posted by: mikeb

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 21 May 2009 05:48:00

Can Somebody please send me the patch sheet if they have it for the lead sound in question.

Many thanks in advance.

MikeyB

mike_bressington@yahoo.co.uk
Posted by: Broadwave

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Fri, 29 May 2009 00:10:00

Hi Mike, email sent smile

Andy.
Posted by: Jouni Salo

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:24:00

Can you send me one too (jouni@salo.bz)?

I just got Oddity on my mac and I'm looking for a decent midi controller keyboard. Any recommendations?
Posted by: Kevo X

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:03:00

I contacted Jouni offline and shared that Billy was using a Novation Remote SL Compact 49 to control most of his leads.

Midge was using the Novation SL 61 as his main board.
Posted by: atonyb

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:16:00

Hi guys (first post)

Could I ask very nicely if someone could share either a patch sheet or an oddity preset (or both, different attempts and views are helpful) for that classic billy currie lead?

I can't believe I only just found this forum...
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:24:00

Hi atonyb!

Please email me!

Jesper
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:27:00

I got the patch sheet!

Do someone here still have the
patch I did for the Oditty?
I don`t have it myself anymore.
Posted by: Flip Martian

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:58:00

Can't remember whether you ever sent it to me Jesper, I'll have a look though...
Posted by: atonyb

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:32:00

Jesper has very kindly already sent me his patch sheet, but I wonder if anyone has an oddity preset knocking around?
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:42:00

You are welcome atonyb! wink

Well Flip, you said you tried it out
earlier in this thread!!! biglaugh
Posted by: Havocman

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:58:00

Quote:
Originally posted by JesperDK:
Well Flip, you said you tried it out
earlier in this thread!!! biglaugh
He's quite old now and does tend to forget things.
Posted by: SlowMo'

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:23:00

Quote:
Originally posted by Havocman:
Quote:
Originally posted by JesperDK:
[b]Well Flip, you said you tried it out
earlier in this thread!!! biglaugh
He's quite old now and does tend to forget things. [/b]
roflmao roflmao roflmao
Posted by: atonyb

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:54:00

Bah, still nowhere near the sound - It would help if i had an idea of what it sounded like pre-fx, so far i've only heard the performances - I dont know just how much work the FX do.

Has anyone got any examples of what it should sound like before you put it through distortion/flanger?
Posted by: Flip Martian

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:10:00

Earlier in this thread = 4 YEARS ago... Excuse me but I can't remember what I was doing YESTERDAY!

Probably don't have it unfortunately - I lost most of my emails 2 years ago.

So Mr Jesper - why don't you still have it?!!! :p

wink
Posted by: JesperDK

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:35:00

Hehehehehe...okay okay okay then Mr Phil..you are forgiven! biglaugh wink

I don`t have it anymore myself because I sold
my Oddity some time ago.

Regarding the lead sound. My opinion is that
the FX (overdrive/distortion/flanger) doesn`t
give that "Oh My God Big Difference" - it adds
some drive, bite and colour to the sound.
And I don`t think that you absolutely have to use the flanger.
Through the years Ive tried to program that
lead sound on several hardware synths I had
- I always came close, but it was never there 100%. When I finally made it on the Oddity, the result was really close. I guess what Im trying to say is, that if you want that 100% authentic
lead sound then your best bet actually is the
Oddity (it`s pretty much better than the Prodyssey if you ask me).....or get an ARP.
I know that Andy (MosLotion) who is THE Arp
Expert here, and one of the best in the world,
got a lot of praise for the Alesis Micron/Ion
when talking about the leadsound emulation.
Ive never tried it myself.

smile
Posted by: SalvadorDaily

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:48:00

Spent a while trying to get this with my Odyssey and a Line 6 Pod last night. Came away frustrated.

Pah. Will try again today but, in the mean time, any patch sheets would be appreciated.

Thanks
David
Posted by: Sleepwalker

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Fri, 28 Jan 2011 21:16:00

Dave,

You have mail sunna! wink
Posted by: scowl

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Sat, 06 May 2017 03:01:59

Did we lose a bunch of posts from this thread when the site was rebuilt? I know I got this patch sheet from here.

Posted by: Nisei

Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 00:59:13

Originally Posted By scowl
Did we lose a bunch of posts from this thread when the site was rebuilt? I know I got this patch sheet from here.

Ah yes, I made that and posted it a few years ago. Billy told me that's how his Odyssey settings were. I believe I still have his instructions somewhere but no idea where I left them laugh