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#98882 - Fri, 05 May 2006 20:50:00 Guitar advice please, please,please
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I'm considering learning to play the guitar - a dream that I've had since my teens but I'm finally going to give it a go!

But I need some advice please as to best guitars for an absolute beginner who is going to have to self teach. I'm also on a very low budget and so will have to hope to pick up a bargain on ebay.

I'd either want an electric or electro acoustic - can anyone tell me which is easier to learn on? Or does it make no difference?

No prizes for guessing whose songs I'd like to play (well one can dream!) My guitar heroes are Midge and Brian May so I've no chance of making the sounds I'd like but it'll be fun trying.
Anyway, any advice would be appreciated especially as to ones to avoid.

Thanks very much.
Amethyst

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#98883 - Fri, 05 May 2006 22:04:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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The best way to buy any guitar is from music shops so you can hear the instrument before you buy. Most things bought on ebay do not have anything wrong with them, but its always best to know the sound of the guitar even if it works ok.

As for learning to play, dont get to disapointed with slow progress, as it will take years to play to even an average level.
There are ways and methods to 'learn easy, but in the long run its best to learn the traditional ways.

You can buy 1/2 or 3/4 size guitars which tend to be cheaper but its best to get the feel of a full size one from the start.
An acoustic or electric guitar will play about the same if there all six strings only.
But if you go for an electric one, dont try too many effects boxes etc. Just keep the sound clean like an acoustic, so you can hear the notes your playing.

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#98884 - Sat, 06 May 2006 08:00:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by newvox:
[QB]The best way to buy any guitar is from music shops so you can hear the instrument before you buy. Most things bought on ebay do not have anything wrong with them, but its always best to know the sound of the guitar even if it works ok.

As for learning to play, dont get to disapointed with slow progress, as it will take years to play to even an average level.

Thanks NewVox. Unfortunately because of my location I don't have the option of a visit to a music shop so I have no option but to order from mail order or ebay without hearing the guitar first. Partially why I needed advice. I think I'll be amazed if ever I manage to play anything even at an average level and I'm sure that most folk will think I'm mad to try but hey its a challenge. And at least I don't have near neighbours to complain at the noise. My daughter might though! But I hope she'll give it a go too - she loves music but has convinced herself that she has no musical ability whatsoever - bit like me!
Thanks again.
Amethyst

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#98885 - Sat, 06 May 2006 15:19:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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Hi!
Well, if You KNOW that You will keep on playing the guitar in the future and won't give up, then I would recommend a guitar with higher quality. This doesn't neccessarily mean Fender or Gibson (or L'Arrivee or Takamine if You are looking for acoustic ones).
There are great guitars by Ibanez, Yamaha, Squier, Epiphone and so on.

I think if it is You want to make pop/rock music like Midge Ure or Brian May then it would only be natural to get an electric guitar. This also means that You should look for a nice (multi-)effect (e.g. something not too expensive by DigiTECH like the RP 80). If You have such a multieffect You can play via headphones and can wait to get an amplifier.

An electric guitar is easier to play than an acoustic one. So maybe it could be more recommendable to start with an acoustic. But to be honest: I only use the acoustic to "play around", compose, playing just for fun. The electric one on the other hand is the only one I use for recordings. You aren't as limited, as You can play it clean, distorted and all those bits between.

I have an Ibanez RG guitar, type "modern strat" (a strat-look with more "edges"). It has a Floyd-Rose tremolo, which is very nice but really crap when You pull on new strings. I really think about buying a new guitar with a vintage tremolo (like the strat), because it takes hours to get the guitar into tune again after pulling on new strings. But then again: when it is in tune once, it stays in tune. No matter how extremely You use the tremolo.
For me, a guitar without tremolo (e.g. Les Paul) is a bit limited, as I use it all the time. And I like guitars that have both: humbucker and single coil pick-ups. Humbuckers are very straight when it comes to play distorted sounds, but for clean sounds I prefer single coils.

Hope this helps wink .

Greetings
Nils

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#98886 - Sat, 06 May 2006 17:28:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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i would advise 2 buy the fender squier frontman pack
it costs 180 and has a squier strat, a 15 wat amp, strap, plectrums - all da stuff u need 2 start really. its wat i had 2 start.
and if ur gonna teach ur self den av a look at dis http://guitar.about.com/library/blguitarlessonarchive.htm

steven

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#98887 - Sun, 07 May 2006 04:26:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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Thanks to all who responded with advice. I found a basic Yamaha electric guitar pack today so I'm going with that.
Steven thanks very much for that link!
Amethyst

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#98888 - Sun, 07 May 2006 05:51:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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yamaha? i didnt no dey do packs?! confused
is it a yamaha pacific by any chance?
cos dere da 1's dat dey av at skool.
aldoe i av lessons dat link i sent u has helped a lot
but dont use da guitar tabs from dat site dere not dat gr8 - deres lots of guitar tab websites but i use ultimate guitar

steven laugh

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#98889 - Sun, 07 May 2006 10:07:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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Originally posted by Amethyst:
Thanks to all who responded with advice. I found a basic Yamaha electric guitar pack today so I'm going with that.
Steven thanks very much for that link!
Amethyst
You will probsbly be pretty satisfied w/ your Yamaha kit..Thwy make a good entry level axe...Amethyst was right w/ the advice to avoid ebay...I have several "student grade" brand guitars that are surprizingly nice.. An "Antares Blade" (Strat copy) and a "Guitar Reseach" strat copy...both sound very good..and were very affordable..I have several friends who play gits in bands, and they use Hondo's, Kay's, and Hohners..I do not recommend "Johnson" brand, as i, and a few friends have found them lacking in quality..

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#98890 - Mon, 08 May 2006 09:21:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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Originally posted by waldronsteven843:
yamaha? i didnt no dey do packs?! confused
is it a yamaha pacific by any chance?
cos dere da 1's dat dey av at skool.
aldoe i av lessons dat link i sent u has helped a lot
but dont use da guitar tabs from dat site dere not dat gr8 - deres lots of guitar tab websites but i use ultimate guitar

steven laugh
Steven its a Yamaha ERG121BL pack.
Thanks to everyone for all the advice - now for the hard part - learning to play it!
Managed to find it without using ebay after all.
Amethyst

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#98891 - Thu, 11 May 2006 17:27:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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hlo
just wandering how ur getting on wid guitar?

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#98892 - Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:04:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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av u learnt anything on guitar?
how are you getting on?
confused

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#98893 - Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:19:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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it took me 20 years to "get" Smoke On The Water, lol lmao

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#98894 - Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:21:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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when did i mention deep purple?

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#98895 - Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:22:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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20 years?
i got it in 20 seconds and most of that was writing the tab

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#98896 - Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:24:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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Well i'm what you call clumsy <img border="0" alt="[Pissed]" title="" src="graemlins/pissed.gif" />

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#98897 - Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:33:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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its taken me a bit longer then 20 seconds i must confess, but that was the solo.
the main riff took 10 seconds yuk

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#98898 - Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:24:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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"Mongoloid" by Devo is one barre chord; so my punk band used to soundcheck with it - we also did "Spirit of the Age" by Hawkwind as that was barre chord stuff again. :p

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#98899 - Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:26:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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we just jam to sound check laugh

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#98900 - Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:35:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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Topic moved into the new 'How do I play..?' area. wink

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#98901 - Fri, 06 Jul 2007 05:35:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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So Jen,

Its only 1 year and 2 months to the day, but is it okay to ask how your getting on with the guitar interest. smile

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#98902 - Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:29:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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So Jen,

Its only 1 year and 2 months to the day, but is it okay to ask how your getting on with the guitar interest. smile
Unfortunately, life and finances intervened before I'd learnt more than a few chords.....but some dreams are meant to stay just that I guess. So the guitar had to go back but at least I had one for a short while! To be honest I realised too that I'd never have the time, patience or aptitude to be anything other than mediocre anyway.So its back to air guitar!
I have long held another dream of this ilk though and one that I'd be more capable of I hope and that is to play drums / drum synths ....again money precludes it...don't have any sort of drum at the moment. And what I'd particularly like is drum synths such as used by Midge and co on The Voice (Monument tour).....so thats another dream thats not likely to come to fruition. Oh well such is life!
Any sort of drum/ drums would be good though and very therapeutic for dealing with 'bad days'. Using paint brushes as drumsticks on pots and pans as recommended by a musician recently just isn't the same - its worse than air drums!

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#98903 - Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:21:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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It took me longer to learn keyboards than i expected, and that was due to lifes problems too. My advice would be to still try but expect it to take longer because you need to do other things too. Also I excepted the level that I reached and knew it would never be great. After I excepted that I forgot about learning any more, and the funny thing is a few years later you relise you have still learnt more without trying. So id say go back to it.

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#98904 - Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:59:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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Newvox, I seriously have let go of the guitar dream now...and with guitar heroes like Midge and Brian May I realised it was going to annoy me intensely hearing my own mediocre playing even if I reached the level of mediocrity. For various reasons won't be revisiting that one.

But the drums that is a different matter entirely......that dream is stronger than ever and would be so therapeutic so despite it seeming impossible at the moment I live in hope that one day.....

I could see myself persevering with drums and having lots of fun doing so....not sure my daughter or the neighbours would though.If I had the funds and didn't live in such an isolated location would go get some lessons...if I could find someone who'd let me learn on my kind of music that is.

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#98905 - Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:25:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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The BIG secret is very very simple:
Have fun when doing something!!!
It could be learning how to play guitar, drums
or composing a track.
If it`s not fun, nothing really happens.

Some years ago, I had come to the point where there was no fun anymore - and very fortunately
I found a way to take the preassure away. Simply
by not thinking too much while I was playing.
A guy like the worldfamous remixer and composer
Anders Trentemoeller records this way: Start the sequenser and let it record for an hour or so - and then you just start playing. A great way to take the preassure away from you.

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#98906 - Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:05:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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Jesper, I think Mike-L would be the best bet for re chords for MOTW ok wink

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#98907 - Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:38:00 Re: Guitar advice please, please,please
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THANKS Mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wink

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