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#92133 - Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:25:00 Live8 and black artists (UK)
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For some reason the other threads have been closed. Maybe it's because some posters seemed to consider their ill-informed contributions as 'nuff said'.

Geldof and the 'Live8 spokespeople' have been talking total rubbish about this. Live8 claim that "A number of urban acts in the UK are hugely talented but they are not well known in Paris or Rome." The reasoning going that they see this as a global event. If this is the case, why are the Kaiser Chiefs on in the States? Most the UK hasn't really heard of them. And Razorlight, The Killers, Snow Patrol? International acts? Complete rubbish. And Bob Geldof? Don't make me laugh.

There are black British stars that are much bigger than some of the acts on the bill, and would open the event in the UK to a non-white audience, eg Jamelia and Dizzee Rascal.

It's seen as unseemly to raise this issue. I think the phrase some of you are looking for is 'political correctness gone mad'. I've been amazed at the ignorance shown on the closed threads.

To the adminstrators, sorry for raising a closed topic but you disappoint me enormously by trying to close off debate on this.

If you'd like to ban me go right ahead.

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#92134 - Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:55:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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It would be interesting to know if there have been and how many black artists have been approached to do the gigs?! Maybe a question for "Sir Bob". However, I find it hard to believe that the organisers have deliberately kept black artists off the bill!!!? confused2 I do agree with previous posts that perhaps this isn't the place for these questions..... perhaps a little visit to the live 8 website????!

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#92135 - Tue, 07 Jun 2005 07:13:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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I do agree with previous posts that perhaps this isn't the place for these questions
I don't see why not. This forum has off topic areas and I haven't seen a ban on such topics anywhere. This isn't political discussions - it's about human rights.

I also doubt that they deliberately excluded black artists. They've made a mistake. Somebody, SOMEBODY, in the Live8 organisation should have spotted it. The biggest problem is that having made a mistake Geldof and others have been bullshitting to try and cover their arses.

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#92136 - Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:57:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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I don't really know much about Live 8 to be honest, but i do understand racism, I hate it but just because theres no black artises on the guest list that doesn't constitute Racism.

'The Voice'. Newspaper for the black community, is that racist because its for black people, no.

Mobo awards Black music awards, not racist but it has all black artists.

The reasons why there aren't any or many Black artists is that Hip hop and Rap could convey the wrong message, it supossed to be a fund raiser and having Rap artists singing about guns, gangtas, drugs, Nú$%^R this N&^%$"R that, M***A F***ER, gangland shootings doesn't convey the right message to Me. IMHO of course

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#92137 - Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:55:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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@ mr. "1. outside" : i really dislike the way u are tryin' to score some points here by tryin' to be "extremely political correct" concernin' the "live 8" & black artists thread , because if personally attackin' other members here as "ill-informed" etc. in return is all that u can do , then u should indeed rethink your membership here !!! cussing mad

high time to bring on some reasonable moderators now !!!

really 'nuff said for now !!!

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#92138 - Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:34:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Olaf - calm down. 1.Outside raised a reasonable point (although yes, it would probably be better made at the Live 8 site). The reason I closed the other threads was because of reactions like this, not Bola's post itself (in case you were wondering).

If it's something that everyone feels is an appropriate discussion here, that's fine, and I'll leave the thread open as long as it doesn't get out of hand. But at the end of the day, Midge doesn't read this, Bob doesn't read this, and it's not something that is going to reach their ears by posting here.

Having said that - there are always two sides to every story, and we DON'T know who Bob approached before announcing the lineups. I would imagine his criteria was pretty simple - artists who would have the widest appeal and attract the biggest audience. But that's just my guess - if you want a definitive answer to this question, you're going to have to ask Bob himself.

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#92139 - Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:51:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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just FYI, Midge appraoched WOMAD to be involved over 6 weeks ago

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Originally posted by Cerise:
Having said that - there are always two sides to every story, and we DON'T know who Bob approached before announcing the lineups. I would imagine his criteria was pretty simple - artists who would have the widest appeal and attract the biggest audience. But that's just my guess - if you want a definitive answer to this question, you're going to have to ask Bob himself.

wink [/QB]

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#92140 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:47:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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I can undersatnd that this is a pertinent topic for discussion, but do doubt that this is the right place to do it. Nobody in their right mind (sweeping judgement, but there you go) is going to say that they think Black (or Indian subcontinental, or Asian, or South American or whatever) bands have no place at such an event, so it's not going to cause debate of the relevant issues (or is that"relevent" issues?) but rather discussion around more subtle nuances. This is an ULTRAVOX website, and such arguments have about as much specific significance as those concerning which end one uses to crack into a boiled egg or whether 40 is the new 30 (although I'd like to say at this point that I bleedin' hope it is).

There are better places to make one's voice heard than in a seat of august learning and cultural exchange such as this. So there.

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#92141 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:03:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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personally attackin' other members here as "ill-informed" etc
Yes, that was directed at you. Glad you noticed.

'extremely politically correct' :rolleyes:

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#92142 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:56:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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There's no need for that.

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#92143 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:58:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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'The Voice'. Newspaper for the black community, is that racist because its for black people, no.

Mobo awards Black music awards, not racist but it has all black artists.

The reasons why there aren't any or many Black artists is that Hip hop and Rap could convey the wrong message, it supossed to be a fund raiser and having Rap artists singing about guns, gangtas, drugs, Nú$%^R this N&^%$"R that, M***A F***ER, gangland shootings doesn't convey the right message to Me. IMHO of course
Firstly, I didn't say it was racist.

Secondly, the Voice was established due to the other papers ignoring black people unless they'd mugged somebody.

Thirdly, do you know why the MOBOs were set up? Because the (so-called) Brits were completely ignoring black artists. Even Sir Elton was gob-smacked by the extent to which that was going on.

Finally, in your last paragraph, which black British artists are you talking about?

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#92144 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:59:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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There's no need for that.
Yes there was.

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#92145 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:02:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Cerise. Thanks for trying but there's clearly no stomach for anything approaching a serious debate on this forum, despite its Off Topic areas.

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#92146 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:19:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Just off on me hols but I would like to say before I go (if I may) that if there's room for inanity on this forum then there is surely room for reasoned, intelligent debate also. Otherwise, this is a lesser place.

Cerise, if you deleted the whole topics because of flaming reactions to the original posts (didn't see anything other than the 1st couple) then the posters of those reactions are probably happy.

Hopefully this one will stay open. People can choose either to join in or not.

Right, gotta go and finish packing.

Au revoir, bon vacances pour moi... excited

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#92147 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:27:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Cerise. Thanks for trying but there's clearly no stomach for anything approaching a serious debate on this forum, despite its Off Topic areas.
@ mr. "1. outside" : if so , why don't u do yourself a great favor & LEAVE this forum RIGHT_NOW , if u feel so "unhappy" with the way it's run !?

honestly ... i dislike u personally even more after your most recent postings here , than this bola guy , who originally started this inflammatory topic !!!

please go away & perster some other places with your utmost annoyin' self-righteousness , will u !?

i really don't think that this forum needs people with such an "attitude" like bola & u !!! icky

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#92148 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:46:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Aah diddums. Doesn't like debate.

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Originally posted by The Voice [ of EV Radio ]if so , why don't u do yourself a great favor & LEAVE this forum RIGHT_NOW , if u feel so "unhappy" with the way it's run !?
I'm unhappy with idiots like you rather than the way the forum is run.

Glad I could clear that one up for you.

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Originally posted by The Voice [ of EV Radio ]honestly ... i dislike u personally even more after your most recent postings here
Being disliked by you makes me very happy.

PS. Congratulations on turning what could have been a serious debate into a slanging match. That's a very effective method used by those who like to stifle debate on particular topics.

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#92149 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:48:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Cerise, if you deleted the whole topics because of flaming reactions to the original posts (didn't see anything other than the 1st couple) then the posters of those reactions are probably happy.
Not deleted - just closed, in an obviously fruitless attempt to calm the waters. Hey ho. I can always open them again.

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p. s. : sorry , dear cerise & rob , but i happen to react totally allergic concernin' such inflammatory threads & people , who obviously haven't anythin' better to do than to pester us with it !!
Then it might be best if you don't post in this thread. As a moderator (of the EV Radio section) you MUST be held up to a higher standard and must not be seen to perpetuate arguments. I'll include you in all the emails to the new moderators this weekend, and it will include the Moderator's Charter (the dos and don'ts!). If between us we can't keep this Forum from becoming a warzone, then I WILL close it - so please, help to keep EV a nice place to be. smile

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#92150 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:50:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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1.Outside - you can cut that out too! mad

Either debate, or don't. Stop baiting each other, or you'll both get a 7-day timeout (temporary ban). Sorry, but I'm not going to stand for mudslinging matches any more.

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#92151 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:08:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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1.Outside - you can cut that out too! mad

Either debate, or don't. Stop baiting each other, or you'll both get a 7-day timeout (temporary ban). Sorry, but I'm not going to stand for mudslinging matches any more.
I refuse to accept equal culpability in this. I WAS trying to have a debate. I admit that since Count Olaf weighed in I've been reduced to bickering but before that I was trying to debate what I thought was a noteworthy issue.

If this warrents a ban, do what you have to do.

Sorry about this. You're a decent person I can tell. He, however, is an idiot.

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#92152 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:20:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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@ mr. "1. outside" : biglaugh as if people like this bola guy or u would even know the meanin' of the word "debate" then !!! ha
your only intention is it to stir up some trouble with such inflammatory topics & therefore i wholeheartedly despise u personally !!!

[ ... ]

dear cerise ,

i'm rather sorry , but after "1. outside"'s last comments directed towards me here , i can only hope that u immediately boot & also ban him , because otherwise i'll do , what i've already intended to do some time ago , but haven't been able to - for various reasons ... i'll leave this place finally , jus' because it's not "big" enough for people like bola , "1. outside" , a few others & me , sorry !!! frown

fyi : i have some personal convictions that simply DOESN'T allow me to accept certain things in life , if i want to stay true to myself , so i'll most likely have to draw a final line now , before it all becomes totally ridiculous to me !!!

however ... this is my final say on this & similar matters , fellows !!!

- olaf , "the voice ( of 'ev radio' )"

over & out ...

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#92153 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:52:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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I'm really quite sad about having to post on this thread but after reading it twice I can see no reason why people insist on making things personal. This started as a question as to why black artists have not been adequately represented at the Live 8 gigs - a perfectly reasonable question, and one which can only be answered fully (and correctly) by the organisers. It has then nose-dived into a slanging match between members of the forum.

This was supposed to be a debate. Debate means that opposing views will (and should be) aired and then discussed.

Please can we all remember that we will never agree on everything in life but we should all be tolerant of each others views.

Well that's my 2 cents - Peace, Out.

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#92154 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:16:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by The Voice [ of EV Radio ]because otherwise i'll do , what i've already intended to do some time ago , but haven't been able to - for various reasons ... i'll leave this place finally , jus' because it's not "big" enough for people like bola , "1. outside" , a few others & me , sorry !!! frown [/QB]
Olaf, it's a little silly to enter into a threat like this regardless of what your feelings are. All discussions and points of view are valid other than patently abusive posts. Whilst it did get that way, it can always be reigned in and you can could also ignore it.

Hopefully the Moderators can get a handle on this before it gets too far out of hand in future.

Discussion is good, trolling (as per bola) and personal abuse is not.

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#92155 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:39:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by Chappie:
we should all be tolerant of each others views.
dear chappie ,

it's actually the way those views were presented here by bola & also by "1. outside" that made me so angry & this way is simply UNACCEPTABLE to me , sorry !!! frown

that's all i have to add to this matter ...

maybe u can understand it ... or maybe not ...

anyway ... i'm out now ... good night , y' all !!!

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#92156 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:45:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Bye.

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#92157 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:01:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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It would have shown greater maturity not to comment on that last post.

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#92158 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:05:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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It would have shown greater maturity not to comment on that last post.
I'm sorry, I've been reduced to his level and was unable to rise above it.

Thank you for being so even handed in this matter :rolleyes:

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#92159 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 06:28:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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My pleasure.

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#92160 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 17:43:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by THE MACHMAN:
[b]'The Voice'. Newspaper for the black community, is that racist because its for black people, no.

Mobo awards Black music awards, not racist but it has all black artists.

The reasons why there aren't any or many Black artists is that Hip hop and Rap could convey the wrong message, it supossed to be a fund raiser and having Rap artists singing about guns, gangtas, drugs, Nú$%^R this N&^%$"R that, M***A F***ER, gangland shootings doesn't convey the right message to Me. IMHO of course
Firstly, I didn't say it was racist.

Secondly, the Voice was established due to the other papers ignoring black people unless they'd mugged somebody.

Thirdly, do you know why the MOBOs were set up? Because the (so-called) Brits were completely ignoring black artists. Even Sir Elton was gob-smacked by the extent to which that was going on.

Finally, in your last paragraph, which black British artists are you talking about?[/b]
Firstly, say it was Racist, nor did I, I just assumed this was a race issue, Apolisies.

Secondly, exactly, hence it not being racist, but that doesn't mean that the other papers are racist.

Thirdly, If black music was good enough, it would win a Brit awards, black music is written for manly black people, just todays cultcure

lastly, I don't know many UK US rap artistes except for EMINEM and 50.cent and Dizze Rascal, I just have to listen to the drivel my 16 year old Eminem wanna be, listens too, thats bad enough banghead
Quite frankly, its shite

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#92161 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:09:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Thirdly, If black music was good enough, it would win a Brit awards, black music is written for manly black people, just todays cultcure

lastly, I don't know many UK US rap artistes except for EMINEM and 50.cent and Dizze Rascal, I just have to listen to the drivel my 16 year old Eminem wanna be, listens too, thats bad enough banghead
Quite frankly, its shite
Well, I can see things are simple in your world. If women were good enough they would earn as much as men, if children from deprived backgrounds were good enough they'd all go to Oxford or Cambridge, if black people were good enough they wouldn't be lagging in education and employment.

If you don't listen to black British artists how can you comment on what they sing about? You said they sang about "guns, gangtas, drugs, Nú$%^R this N&^%$"R that, M***A F***ER, and gangland shootings" yet you've never heard a word. Some sixth sense you have there.

I suggest you go and listen to some of the biggest selling artists in recent years, Ms Dynamite, and Jamelia perhaps.

These artists have easily sold more than many of the artists on the Live8 bill.

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#92162 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:21:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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...and all the REGGAE bands.

STEEL PULSE still sell out! Excellent stuff!

Yes, we should please be able to discuss things peacefully in here.

Bola's post was perfectly OK for me. Even if it was a press release - it still takes a person to write it and it has a particular objective. And the content of his post had a concrete, very interesting point, regardless of whether we ever see the author again or not.

Well, if it was spam, at least it was not trying to sell me viagra or offer me a p**** enlargement... wink

And thank heavens that this forum deals with other topics than UV only - or who wants to be a nerd...? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

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#92163 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:28:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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And thank heavens that this forum deals with other topics than UV only - or who wants to be a nerd...? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />
Lava, there appear to be a FEW members who wish the discussion to be either UV only (even on the OT forums), and/or not contentious in any way whatsoever. Other issues should be discussed in my view otherwise things get a bit dull...

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#92164 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:39:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Ah! It would be dull indeed!!!

The essence of life does not lie in UUUUUUULTRAVOX, I'm afraid - no matter how great their music was and still is.

Anyone wanna be a nerd in here? In the off-topic threads, I mean? confused

I don't.

viking

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#92165 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:46:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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dear lava & all ,

it seems to me that jus' a very few people here - except si & me - are willin' or able to understand the INTENTION in which bola's & also "1. outside"'s postin' were made in !!! *sigh*

it's simply THE_WAY they presented their "points of view" here that are jus' UNACCEPTABLE to me !!!

if they would've presented their matter here in a more respectful way , i certainly wouldn't have a single problem with it nor with them personally , because i happen to work a lot with people of diff'rent skin colors & completely diff'rent cultural backgrounds @ the international university where i live & understand their concerns perfectly !!!

in other words : if somebody SCREAMS @ me like a maniac , i jus' DON'T listen to him or her , but if he or she speaks in a more polite way & talks about his or her concerns to me , then i'll definitely listen very closely to them !!!

like i said before in my reply to chappie's postin' here , it's THE_WAY bola & also "1. outside" had presented the whole matter here that was , is & always will be simply UNACCEPTABLE to me & therefore i WON'T even tolerate their "opinions" nor will i respect them personally anymore , if they don't learn to present their matters in a more appropriate way here to us !!!

i hope that i've made my point of view clear now for all to understand !?

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#92166 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:54:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Bola's statement was not offensive from my point of view. He made his point (clearly), he used no insulting words, and I did not have the feeling that he was shouting.

Hey - but that is only ONE way of interpreting a written text (mine). Not representative at all. But as valid as everyone elses.

wink

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#92167 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:11:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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sorry dear lava , but there were SEVERAL insults in bola's postin' - let alone the rather strong accusations of racism & the term "exclude" in itself ... plus a lot more subtle hints about sir bob & the whole "live 8" organization that were ALL made in very clear DISRESPECT to them , which were jus' unacceptable for me , if he wanted to discuss this matter here seriously & in a reasonable debate then !!!

i suggest that u reread his message again to find out for yourself , what i mean - also concernin' the SHOUTIN' parts of it !!!

btw : i can only accept a point of view as "valid" , if it's made in a "valid" way !!!
bola's & also "1. outside"'s way were both "invalid" to me - & also to some others - & therefore i'll simply ignore their "points of view" in the future ... until they learn to present them in a more appropriate way - very simple , but also very basic !!!

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#92168 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:13:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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1. Outside - BTW, I really liked your first 2 posts in his thread. I liked your point. Very interesting. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

Also, I very much appreciated Berenice giving us a short feedback on the matter.

Surely, there is an explanation to everything - though I doubt we will find out fully in here. confused2

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#92169 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:19:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by The Voice [ of EV Radio ]: i'll simply ignore their "points of view" in the future
Well, you're doing real well at that so far.

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#92170 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:20:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by Lavaocean:
[b]1. Outside - BTW, I really liked your first 2 posts in his thread. I liked your point. Very interesting. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />
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Thanks. I was trying to pursue what I considered to be a noteworthy topic.

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#92171 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:24:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by 1.Outside:
Lava, there appear to be a FEW members who wish the discussion to be either UV only (even on the OT forums), and/or not contentious in any way whatsoever. Other issues should be discussed in my view otherwise things get a bit dull...
I presume you don't mean me, as I added the OT forum in the first place. wink

Contentious subject matter - fine. Debate - wonderful. OT threads - excellent. What I'm trying to curb (in this whole board, not just this thread I hasten to add) are the personal, mudslinging, screaming matches. An unbelievable number of people have left or don't visit very often now, because of it. So it won't be tolerated any more.

Debate away, but cut out the bitchslapping. That means both of you! confused2

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#92172 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:25:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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The other two threads have been reopened, BTW.

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#92173 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:30:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by Cerise:
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Originally posted by 1.Outside:
[b]Lava, there appear to be a FEW members who wish the discussion to be either UV only (even on the OT forums), and/or not contentious in any way whatsoever. Other issues should be discussed in my view otherwise things get a bit dull...
I presume you don't mean me, as I added the OT forum in the first place. wink

Contentious subject matter - fine. Debate - wonderful. OT threads - excellent. What I'm trying to curb (in this whole board, not just this thread I hasten to add) are the personal, mudslinging, screaming matches. An unbelievable number of people have left or don't visit very often now, because of it. So it won't be tolerated any more.

Debate away, but cut out the bitchslapping. That means both of you! confused2 [/b]
Of course I didn't mean you.

I find it odd that people have left to be honest as a bit of fractiousness is pretty much the norm in internet forums as you're no doubt aware. I've always found this forum to be the most benign that I visit.

I apologise to anyone that I've pissed off, except Count Olaf. I was trying to have a debate. Unfortunately there are people in this world that try and clamp down on non-existent 'political correctness' to avoid some subjects getting the airing they deserve.

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#92174 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:30:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by Cerise:
What I'm trying to curb (in this whole board, not just this thread I hasten to add) are the personal, mudslinging, screaming matches. An unbelievable number of people have left or don't visit very often now, because of it. So it won't be tolerated any more.
i really hope so !!!

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#92175 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:42:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by 1.Outside:
I was trying to have a debate. Unfortunately there are people in this world that try and clamp down on non-existent 'political correctness' to avoid some subjects getting the airing they deserve.
if u really want to "debate" , then u should 1st & foremost learn , HOW to do it in an appropriate way !!!

btw : i've yet to see a single valid point by bola or mr. "1. outside" that is really worth to be discussed here seriously & in a reasonable debate , because so far i've only seen a lot of rather silly & also totally disrespectful accusations that aren't worth to be even considered to think about them any further , sorry !!!

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#92176 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:53:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by The Voice [ of EV Radio ]:
btw : i've yet to see a single valid point by bola or mr. "1. outside" that is really worth to be discussed here seriously & in a reasonable debate , because so far i've only seen a lot of rather silly & also totally disrespectful accusations that aren't worth to be even considered to think about them any further
How's this ignoring me getting on?

OK, let's take one simple point.

There are a number of black British artists that easily outsell artists who are on the Live8 bill.

Why were they not invited to be on the bill?

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#92177 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:11:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Originally posted by 1.Outside:
There are a number of black British artists that easily outsell artists who are on the Live8 bill.

Why were they not invited to be on the bill?
well ... we can only speculate about the real reasons so far , but anyway ... let's jus' speculate that they a) don't have the time for what reason(s) soever or b) simply haven't answered in due time to the request to be considered anymore or c) asked for a headliner spot on the bill & wasn't considered to be THAT "big" by the "live 8" organizers then etc. ... still we simply don't know it & all that we can do is jus' speculate about it !!!

bola's & your "speculations" jus' came across here as if u would know much more than anybody of us other so-called "ill-informed" members - incl. b & cerise - would know about the real reasons & that's jus' totally impudent & absolutely arrogant , because u simply DON'T know much more than i or any other member knows about it - plain fact !!!

therefore your "speculations" AREN'T worth a serious discussion nor a reasonable debate for me ... @ least not NOW & not in this way !!!

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#92178 - Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:26:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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oh ... btw : there are LOTS of acts that i personally would've liked to see on the "live 8" bill - wherever - , but they're also not takin' part in it ... so far , but do i come here & SHOUT about the ignorance of sir bob & the other organizers & accuse them of "bad taste" or whatever , eh ??? :rolleyes:

nope , simply because "i take what i can get" - so to say - & if i get a bill of for me personally totally uninterestin' acts , then i'll still applaude them for what they do , as it's THE_CAUSE & NOT the acts that makes this whole thing worthwhile , which people like bola & mr. "1. outside" seem to have totally forgotten or simply ignored ... for what strange reasons soever !!! *sigh*

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#92179 - Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:18:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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except of course, that in the main, bands/artists have asked Live8 if they can appear, rather than the other way round.......

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#92180 - Thu, 09 Jun 2005 02:47:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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So b, in the interest of debate, what is your take from within the Ure camp on the accusations of rascism against the Live 8 organisation?

Is it justified or not worth bothering about?

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#92181 - Thu, 09 Jun 2005 02:49:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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Oh, and here's a thing, now we've established the 1.outside and olaf mutual appreciation society, why don't the two of you try not to bicker at each other in your posts? I can understand that people don't get on, but trading minor insults is getting us nowhere regardless of how put out either of you may feel.

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#92182 - Thu, 09 Jun 2005 03:00:00 Re: Live8 and black artists (UK)
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totally unfounded in reality smile

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