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#83996 - Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:58:00 Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Okay, so The Face: The Very Best of Visage is only another best of, but it is being supported by Universal as a fully promoted release, and as with the 1993 'upgrade' of the original Fade to Grey best of, it contains two new, club-promoted Fade to Grey remixes (apparently getting Radio 1 airplay). The rest of the tracks are either single versions or original 12" remixes from the time, from what I can gather. I'll see if I can post the track list here.

Rusty Egan's promoting the release, timed as a 30th anniversary celebration of Fade to Grey, and I shall be speaking to him shortly for re:VOX. Also interviewing Mick Karn too - sorry, this all sounds like shameless name-dropping, but really buzzing about this - where I'll be chatting to him about his work with Midge amongst other topics, and the new book and CD too smile

If you have any questions for either of these fine fellows, post them here and I'll see what I can use in addition to what I'm putting together for these interviews.

Busy, busy wink

Rob

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#83997 - Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:20:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Could you please ask Mick how the single 'After A fashion' came about? Was it planned, or was it an impromptu thing like Queen and Bowie on 'Under pressure'? Many thanks.

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#83998 - Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:35:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Hi, Andy, absolutely will do - one of the key Midge-related topics to alight on, anyway smile

Anyway, I have the okay to post this, so here's the gen on The Face: The Very Best of Visage (Universal, March 8th).

Fade To Grey (Michael Grey mix)
Mind Of A Toy (Dance Mix)
We Move (1983 remix by John Hudson)
Tar
Fade To Grey
In The Year 2525
The Anvil (single remix by John Luongo)
Night Train (single mix)
The Damned Don’t Cry (Dance mix)
Love Glove
Pleasure Boys (Dance mix)
Visage (12” Dance mix)
Fade To Grey (12”)
Der Amboss
Fade To Grey (Lee Mortimer mix)

A bit of the blurb: "Some 30 years or so later, ‘Electropop’ is still one of the most enduring styles around – MGMT, La Roux, Lady Gaga, Little Boots, Ladyhawke now top the year end polls just as Visage, Soft Cell, Human League and Depeche Mode did before them.

It is 30 years since Visage released the seminal Fade To Grey. It was a huge dancefloor hit, topping the charts in the UK and Europe and is a track that defines the 1980s, instantly transporting any listener, who was around at that time, back to the days of the New Romantic vanguard whose painted faces and rococo attire adorned the pages of Vogue and The Face.

To celebrate this anniversary, Universal Music are pleased to announce the release of The Very Best of Visage, featuring 2009 remixes of Fade To Grey by Michael Gray of The Weekend and Borderline fame, and Lee Mortimer, AKA Sawtooth Sucka and resident Ministry of Sound DJ, alongside the group’s complete chart topping hit singles as well and some of the classic and highly sought after original remixes and 12” versions.

The 2009 remixes of Fade To Grey have been promoted at club level throughout Christmas and the New Year and, as a result, have stormed into the club charts and onto the Radio One specialist dance shows".

A bit of a curates egg, but if its been properly remastered off the original tapes, then sonically it'll knock the socks of the dribble of 80s compilations, and Visage budget ones, that have featured some of the 12" versions included here in recent years in varying degrees of quality. Fingers crossed smile

Rob

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#83999 - Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:07:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Just so happens that you can find the first remix on t'web...

Michael Gray remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz6qbNRK5lA

Assuming it's the same one, I quite like it, much better than the crap remix included on the last GH comp...

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#84000 - Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:15:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Just out of interest please ask Mick if he knows a guy called Richard Rogers (aka Dicky) & if so, how. smile

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#84001 - Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:35:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Aye, and ask Mick if he can remember being bit in the eye off a dog around the time 'After A Fashion' was being recorded. eek

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#84002 - Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:31:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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The compilation looks like another missed opportunity. They could've included all singles and b-sides in their edited versions and then add some obscure tracks like "Whispers" edit. In this form, however, it's just another quick cash-in.

Almost all of the tracks were released on CD in one place or the other. "Tar", I'm sure" will again be the album version. What's that with "We Move" original that it to this day remains unreleased I just can't understand. And FOUR versions of FTG is, like, overkill.

Actually, I think to release such boring, unimaginative compilations over and over again is a thinly-veiled disrespect, for the record-buying public and for the band.

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#84003 - Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:49:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Hi, Vladimir,

I certainly wouldn't disagree with your analysis, it's certainly a hodge-podge that can't make up it's mind whether to be a full remix album or a standard hits album!

And no Beat Boy again. If Tar and In The Year 2525 weren't hits then there's no excuse not include the final single in some shape or form too (and if space was a consideration, there was a short, exclusive remix prepared for one of those Debut album magazines way back when).

So, yes, I would have preferred an A/B side album too, but until I speak to Rusty I have no idea who suggested the album and what input anyone had, if any. While I'm awaiting a promo review cdr, I'm sure Tar will be the album version, although as that is a remix of the original it does, sort of fit the album's theme.

Let's face it, though, I'd like the original of Tar on CD, but it is a litttle rough round the edges, especially with that drunken sax solo at the end - and you can see why that was faded off when Midge came to blend all the different recordings together for the final album mix/compilation of Visage wink - and it really isn't up to being on this kind of album. To me it's definitely a bonus track on anything other than a proper 'singles' album.

I would imagine that In the Year 2525 will also be the later 1983 John Hudson remix, rather than the demo that escaped onto the remix cassette of the original 1983 best of, which again obviously fits the album's ethos.

Yes, and what do the compilers have against against the original lush version of We Move from the Mind of a Toy 7"?! A rhetorical answer - they've probably never heard it, and they're just working from what's been done before.

I do agree that Universal have been remiss in not doing more with Visage sooner. And while any Visage product is better than none-at-all - especially if remastered propperly, and god does some of it need it - my fervent hope is that this album might be the advance guard for some form of back catalogue overhaul. Surely someone must have realised the Ultravox connection and saw how well those were put together. If there are no plans at present I shall certainly push the notion as far as one lone voice can smile

I had a track planner - several versions, actually, depending on what budget there might be for doing any set of remasters - but I've had to revisit it in the light of what's going to be featured on the best of. There now seems to be only one ideal way to gather up all the b-sides and 7" A-sides alongside everything else that deserves an airing.

Rob


"The compilation looks like another missed opportunity. They could've included all singles and b-sides in their edited versions and then add some obscure tracks like "Whispers" edit. In this form, however, it's just another quick cash-in.

Almost all of the tracks were released on CD in one place or the other. "Tar", I'm sure" will again be the album version. What's that with "We Move" original that it to this day remains unreleased I just can't understand. And FOUR versions of FTG is, like, overkill.

Actually, I think to release such boring, unimaginative compilations over and over again is a thinly-veiled disrespect, for the record-buying public and for the band".

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#84004 - Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:22:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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I do agree that Universal have been remiss in not doing more with Visage sooner. And while any Visage product is better than none-at-all - especially if remastered propperly, and god does some of it need it - my fervent hope is that this album might be the advance guard for some form of back catalogue overhaul. Surely someone must have realised the Ultravox connection and saw how well those were put together. If there are no plans at present I shall certainly push the notion as far as one lone voice can smile
That's very kind of you to say so Rob. And if Universal need the people who put the Ultravox remasters together to help on a similar Visage project, do please let them know that Cerise, Rob and I would be very happy to help them.

smile

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Paul

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#84005 - Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:11:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Paul,

and that's very kind of you to say so too smile I wasn't sure, in any case, how much of an interest you might have had in this particular off-shoot of vox-ness, so very nice to hear that.

But seriously, before this all gets completely gooey, we all know how rarely fan involvement and any entertainment back-catalogue projects overlap, and as I've happily said to you previously, more than fair do's to all of you for achieving what you've have. You've set an impressive benchmark for others to follow, or ignore, as is their wont. I've always said that you have to make what you will of opportunities when they slap you in the face, anyway.

And if there's any chance at all that Universal are considering a Visage re-masters programme - or could be persuaded too - I will certainly pass the gen on to you. We'll see what Rusty has to say - possibly by the end of the week I'm told - and it'll be interesting to see what level of involvement he's had with this album anyway.

Right, back to preparing Mick's questions further now I've got Rusty's prepped. Sheesh, why do I do get myself into this? Don't answer, as you know the answer, after all, only too well yourselves smile

Thanks.

Rob

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#84006 - Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:39:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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This Visage comp would be a good starting point for a reissue programme, not unlike Glimmer as part of the John Foxx reissues, but for that to work then you obviously need to know that the proper albums are coming soon etc.

It's been said before that Visage is in need of a properly curated reissues programme, with a proper sense of chronology b-sides, mixes etc. It stikes me that there is only a fairly small number of tracks and mixes from the early 80s which should/could make this sort of project reasonably compact and do-able. Well I wish anyway.

If you're taking question for Mick Karn I'd like to suggest a couple if possible.

How does he view the Japan and his 80s back catalogue now? The former lead singer seems to have a bit of a Year Zero policy to his pre-solo stuff and prefers it ignore it's existance. Yet in terms of the current trends in pop music, referencing the early 80s, it's becoming more relevent and it is also been shown just have strong the quality of it was.

From interview I’ve read over the last 5 or 10 years he seems to have a growing animosity towards the former lead singer. Is this a correct perception if so why?

"Dreams of Reason." Bloody hell! Where did that come from? You look back at his work over the years and there is a arc of progression through it all, apart from "Dreams" which even now, to me, stands out as a real left turn. I loved it then and love it now but it's not something you can listen to everyday.

How did he come to work with Bill Nelson?

Cheers
Mark

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#84007 - Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:16:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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As for Visage reissues, maybe we should start a petition to Universal? So they can see there's a market for them and money spent will pay back...

For questions to Mick Karn - are they still in touch with Midge? Did he know other Ultravox guys and if so, what can he say about them? smile

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#84008 - Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:26:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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If I were Mick, I'd advise people to buy his autobiography where most of these questions are answered. wink

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#84009 - Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:10:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Yes, you must read Mick’s book. It’s very instructive… even if not chronological smile

Actually, I don’t think there is a “growing” animosity towards David Sylvian at all. I thnk certain press articles have deliberately tried to skew things for 'good' copy. So, while that may have been the case in the past - partly in the fall out from Rain Tree Crow – I think Mick just accepts that some people are just the way they are and that’s how’s it’s going to be.

Actually, I have to agree with his judgement that David doesn’t always seem comfortable with his work – to which I add, look at the way he’s constantly tinkered with old material over the years: from remixing a then recent live album, Damage, as part of his lightning way of clearing his Virgin contract back in the late 1990s, to re-recording the vocal on Ghosts for gawd’s sake and reworking several other older songs on the otherwise very listenable Everything and Nothing etc. etc. Seems to be a weird lack of confidence in your own work, which is odd considering where his muse has taken him – Manafon is nothing like Brilliant Trees which is nothing like Ember Glance and so forth.

Thanks for the questions, anyway. I was certainly planning to ask Mick about certain songs, and various topics, not covered in the book, so that certainly takes in how he sees his past work, and there’s a lot to talk about after 28 years of solo work! As for Midge, they apparently get on very well, but don’t seem to have been in touch for awhile with Mick’s move back to Cyprus.

As for Bill Nelson, funnily enough I only remembered about that last night when I was checking back through the old Medium newsletters for question hinters. I think Gary Numan might be the link, as Bill worked with him on Dance as well Warriors, if memory serves correctly, so I’m guessing they might have met then – we’ll see.

Oh, and the 'jump' from Titles to 'Dreams'? Personally, I don't find it out of character, progression-wise, or that hard a listen either, compared to his last three, very minimal and introspective albums. It's just the benefit of greater studio experience, more confidence and time, and a wider base of musicians to help him achieve what he wanted too... but read the book about it already! Certainly my second favourite Karn solo LP after Bestial Cluster.

As for a properly curated Visage collection – hear, hear. Certainly something I’ve banged on about even before the yawnable update to the original Fade to Grey compilation when it eventually surfaced on CD back in 1993. Actually, once you list it out, plus known material that wasn’t released at the time – the demos, a Radio 1 session to support the Beat Boy album, the extended play Beat Boy album, some promo mixes of Beat Boy itself, an unused single edit and a foreign one, plus a video edit of The Horseman (was it intended as a single? – you bet ya I’m going to ask!) – there’s actually enough to fit three double CD sets leaving aside only a couple of tracks as exclusives for the new album.

To my mind, and despite their use on this new CD, the Visage 12”s, and all the single edits/remixes and b-sides, should sit alongside each album now the compilation has been done the way it has rather than as a true singles album (and wouldn't an accompanying unsegued videos DVD have been nice too). I’ve taken Universal’s own Deluxe Edition of Tears for Fears’ Songs from the Big Chair as a template for how it could be done (and, by-the-by, there’s still a UK 12” remix of Shout that’s never made it on to CD even after all the extra stuff on that packed 2CD set),as way of showing what could be done.

That’s why I want to support this compilation, because whatever we might think about the contents, it is a higher profile, main catalogue release. It's also getting the band out there again, and in doing that if it’s promoted well enough and sells, then you’ve got to hope they’ll see the value in building on that and really using the back catalogue to it’s full potential – it’s the perfect opportunity, after all in an anniversary year!

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#84010 - Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:21:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Well! somebody should start a project that gather all original member of pioneer bands like Ultravox, Japan, Visage & Magazine.
Could be a charity project for Haiti or something...

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#84011 - Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:00:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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I shall have to look into this Mick Karn book then.

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#84012 - Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:08:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Mark - you must read it! It's a really good look at his work as he sees it. Its on lulu.com.

Anyway, have juust spoken to Rusty for about an hour earlier tonight. Top man, and very up front and honest - certainly tells it (colourfully!) how he sees it. Anyway, lots to mull over whilst transcribing it for the next issue, and lots of ground covered from his early days right through to the end of Visage and the recent Rich Kids reunion.

Oh, and Universal did approach him to compile something, but while he opted for rarities they steered it back towards hits - the remix angle being the main difference this time.

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#84013 - Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:27:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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I’ve taken Universal’s own Deluxe Edition of Tears for Fears’ Songs from the Big Chair as a template for how it could be done (and, by-the-by, there’s still a UK 12” remix of Shout that’s never made it on to CD even after all the extra stuff on that packed 2CD set),as way of showing what could be done.


The UK 12" remix version of Shout is available on a CD called The Ultimate 80's Mix 2. It's so much better than the US remix. Also on there is a strange version of If I Was. It's basically the single version but with an extended intro confused

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#84014 - Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:41:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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It will be great to have the single mix of Night Train on CD at last. All the compilations I've come across have the album version included. And why is the 12" extended version of this track always get overlooked? Surely it should of been one of the bonus tracks on the reissue of The Anvil, for which the bonus section track listing baffles me. Anyway, Thank the lord for More 12" 80's which includes the Night Train 12" mix in all its glory smile

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#84015 - Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:37:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Andy, thanks for the tip-off, I'll have to look that one out - flew right past my rare tracks radar!

As for Night Train, the only CD I've ever seen it on, years before the balls up on the 1993's Visage best of etc, is one of those Old Gold Kick up the Eighties volumes. The correct single edit of The Damned don't Cry was also on another volume in the series (fading down before the swirly sound effects start at the end), and so was the only UK appearance of the 7" remix of Japan's Nightporter, too smile

It's good to have these on CD, as one or two of the mixes have only made fleeting CD appearances (the 12" of Visage, for one, on an Old Gold Visage 12" EP CD single), but the mish-mash of 7" and 12" material makes honing down any remastered albums difficult if they all had to be single CDs only smile

Ta for the info, anyway!

Rob

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#84016 - Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:40:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Oh, yes, and I agree with you about Shout - the UK mix is far better, and baffles me why it has remained such a rarity, besides the usual no-one paying attention to what's actually in anyone's back catalogue.

Rob

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#84017 - Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:29:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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I had the honour of interviewing Rusty Egan as part of the album's launch and my article is on-line at 'Electronically Yours' if anyone is interested.

http://www.league-online.com/

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#84018 - Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:23:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Well done, sir!

I had an invite to launch, but getting there from after work (and it running over) proved impossible, alas. Still, nice to have been asked smile

Rob

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#84019 - Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:17:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Hi Jimmy

Fantastic! as Rusty would say. Always great to hear the best DJ in the world!

BTW wasn't an SS-30 the first synth Midge bought and used it occasionally on tour with Thin Lizzy?

Perhaps he bought two during 78/79, the CS-10 as the synth for bass and leads, and the SS-30 for strings. Mind you, the track In the Year 2525 recorded at the time has SS-30 strings all over it. I wonder what drum machine Rusty used for that recording?

Thanks for a great interview!
Chris wink

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#84020 - Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:00:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Cheers for your comments Chris.

You could be right about Midge's first synth, my memory about the CS10 came from Midge's autobiography but I was unable to check it as ironically, the 'Electronically Yours' Webmeister Orac still hasn't given my copy back to me after a year and a half! I know it was definitely a Yamaha as he used their guitars and got a discount from them. As Rusty didn't deny it when I asked him the question, I went with my original text. But if anyone can check Midge's book on my behalf, I'll happily correct it if it's totally wrong laugh

I was hoping Rusty would tell me which drum machine he first got but he went off on a bit of tangent as he does and gave me some wonderful copy. He was just great throughout the 15 minutes I had with him.

He was a real catalyst in the scene, a lot of synth music may have turned out quite different without him. I only found out this week that it was him who recommended Carol Kenyon to HEAVEN 17 for "Temptation".

And there was stuff that he told me in the interview that I didn't use in the final article like his involvement in the HI-NRG dance music scene...he did the drum machine programming on "So Many Men, So Little Time" by Miquel Brown (Sinitta's mum!!!)

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#84021 - Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:19:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Fantastic details, Jimmy! Would you consider a full version of that interview for this forum maybe? smile

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#84022 - Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:16:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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looks like there is going to be a few more Fade To Grey remixes on the download version , that arent on the CD version

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Face-Very-Best-V...10&sr=301-1

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#84023 - Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:14:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Fantastic details, Jimmy! Would you consider a full version of that interview for this forum maybe? smile
Cheers for the interest Vladimir but there wasn't that much more really other than his welcome speech, all of which is summarised in the intro blurb to the interview.

The Miquel Brown revelation was the main bit I left out although he also mentioned a band he produced whose name I can't remember...the tape's been wiped now cos a colleague needed the dictaphone!! Rusty was actually impressed I remembered Miquel Brown's name cos he couldn't remember...he just referred to her as "Sinitta's Mum"!

I do have several interviews in the pipeline for EY, unfortunately not Ultravox / Visage related although if you're into the history of electronic pop, you'll be happy smile

PS Rusty Egan played his new remix of "Fade To Grey" at the launch party and it's best described as a "9 minute chill-out version" (Rusty's exact words!)

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#84024 - Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:52:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Ah, well it's good to see all the other tracks from the promo CD of Fade to Grey getting some more exposure beyond their original club use.

Rob

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#84025 - Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:53:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Looking forward to this Visage release. Brilliant News.

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#84026 - Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:38:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Jimmy, thanks nevertheless for what you've already done and will be looking forward for future interviews. It's that little details that really fascinate me smile

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#84027 - Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:27:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Jimmy, could you tell me if you spotted anyone interesting attending the launch night as I couldn't make it?

Thanks.

Rob

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#84028 - Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:13:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Just beem my misfortune to waste £9.99 of my hard earned cash in HMV on this abomination.It truly is the worst Visage compilation ever !! And as for the two remixes of 'Fade To Grey' banghead
As it says on the sticker on the CD case 'Features 2009 killer club mixes' truly awful.

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#84029 - Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:19:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Well, it's not my ideal of a Visage compilation, for sure. That would have been a singles a/b-side compilation as a spearhead to re-mastering all three albums backed by their respective 12"s and a few other rarer bits and bobs.

I do think that they've put a lot more effort into the marketing and packaging, although some factual errors have crept into the booklet's text. But, yes, the track listing is unarguably much the same as the 1993 best of, although this time with more of the songs are in their remixed forms this time around (although a couple are wrong, yet again), and in Visage's case, only the secong time that's ever been on CD.

There does seem to be a problem with sourcing the original recordings for The Anvil-era material - still noticeably duller than the much better sounding earlier and later material.

No, I've never been a fan of 2009 mixes, either, but they're the hook to draw in a new audience beyond us long time fans, I think.

I know it's not an ideal Visage compilation, but I do want it to do well, because if it does sell well enough, despite its limitations, maybe it will convince Universal to revisit and upgrade a nice little back catalogue that's been well under-used.

That's my hope.

Rob

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#84030 - Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:02:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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I found the album totally lacking & as for the sound well thats quite arguable really as it does appear to sound like my german origonal issue of the singles collection laugh £8 spent but is it wasted, who knows as its part of my collection now.

I prefer the masters series cd I have, why cantthe grab that & remaster them from cd?

I'll be looking forward to some re-release of the first 3 albums........

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#84031 - Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:00:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Dont think we we will see a re-release for either 'The Anvil' or 'Beat Boy' any time in the near future as they have both been recently released on Cherry Red Records.but would love a 2 disc 'special edition' realaese for 'Visage' as that is long overdue & is arguably their best album.

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#84032 - Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:47:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Hi, well you need to an a/b to spot the difference, but to these old ears all bar the two Anvil LP tracks sound better.

Completely agree, both about the desirability of a 2CD Visage album (their best for me, too) and whether expanded re-issues of The Anvil and Beat Boy could be released any time soon - very much dependant on how long they have the license for them from Universal, I would imagine. A clever to test how popular they might be, though. Did it spur the new best of? Who knows smile

Rob

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#84033 - Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:52:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Jimmy, could you tell me if you spotted anyone interesting attending the launch night as I couldn't make it?

Thanks.

Rob
Hi Rob,

I was introduced by Rusty to Robert Pereno who was the singer in the dance troupe SHOCK who spawned TIK & TOK. He in turn introduced me to Mark Jones of Wall Of Sound Records and BBC6 Music. We had a brilliant chat about all things electro.

He's just signed THE HUMAN LEAGUE to a multi-album deal and has been championing the resurgence in classic electronic pop music with his radio shows featuring the likes of Rusty Egan, Gary Numan, John Foxx and Martyn Ware, as well as instigating the LITTLE BOOTS / GARY NUMAN and LA ROUX / HEAVEN 17 live sessions.

Next time I see him, I'll ask if he can consider ULTRAVOX for one of these...any requests who you'd like to pair the boys with? wink

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#84034 - Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:09:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Thanks for that Jimmy, just curious as to who might have come along too.

As for the old & new sessions, I have no idea who you could put Ultravox against - of course the idea isn't to put them against their analog but someone influenced by, so who?

The great thing is that no one ever really tried to copy then, it was too perfect a synthesis (if you'll excuse that) to try copying. The Muse tracks are the first time I've heard anyone vaguely attempt it, and that was only a top line at that, they seem to be magpieing anything from Queen to god knows who from what little I've seen of them.

Any ideas yourself, then? smile

Rob

P.S. So, what did you make of the album?

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#84035 - Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:13:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Funnily enough, ULTRAVOX vs MUSE was what I had in mind laugh !

Ever since Matt Bellamy first said he lifted the 'viola' section of "Vienna" for "Apocolypse Please" and then the quite obvious ULTRAVOX sound on "Starlight", and then the new album, I've realised more and more how MUSE are basically turning into them! Now there's more electronics fused in with the existing classical and rock roots, the influence has become more obvious!

Even on a track like "Uprising", although it doesn't sound like ULTRAVOX as such, the synth playing is so symphonic that it's how Billy Currie would have done it!

I even think to a lesser extent that Matt Bellamy's voice is starting to take on a Midge Ure timbre away from the Thom Yorke tones he originally had!

So it's a thumbs up from me for MUSE's album "The Resistance"

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#84036 - Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:22:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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An important point made - why there were (and still are) so little of the bands who are holding Ultravox as the main influence. DM, Duran, the League, Heaven 17, even Spandau are quite influential, but I see very little of Vox style being copied/interpreted...

That strangely mostly for UK scene, as Vox sound was tremendously influential in places like Scandinavia, Canada and Australia. Perhaps "not-so-cool" image prevented them being copied OR mentioned...

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#84037 - Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:09:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Okay Ultravox vs. Muse it is... sorry, Muse fans, they'll be blown away smile

I think that in the past whenever I used that unique sound arguement, cynics would just turn it around and say that it was because they were naff/crap/un-hip/whatever, and that's why no-one had copied them, or showed any influence...

I prefer my arguement wink

Rob

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#84038 - Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:38:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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as instigating the LA ROUX / HEAVEN 17 live sessions.
Those were actually instigated by H17 and LA ROUX. I heard the moment (on radio) 5 where Ware asked her if she'd like to work with them and she said yes.

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#84039 - Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:06:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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My copy of Re:Vox dropped through the door today and it's a superb edition. I haven't read the interview with Rusty yet, but the photographic content is fab! Lovely wee piece about the Vienna campaign as well.... nice one Robak!!! Wanted to ask you.... is re:Vox published online anywhere? even on a blog or website... I would have linked to have posted a link onto the facebook campaign page smile

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#84040 - Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:27:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Bless your heart, but we're good ol' hard copy only here, collating together all the on-line goodies for those that weren't (when we started), or still aren't, connected up smile That was the raison d'etre behind re:VOX setting up.

I'd always been impressed... well, okay, jealous, of what EV achieved in print and felt there was no way anyone could really compete with they were doing, hence offering to write those Overlook columns to help out. But when EV switched to an on-line presense, I rather fancied having a shot at doing the kind of things that I felt print does best - having previously produced a comics/media/film fanzine (Amalgam) in the 1980s - just as a companion to everything else going on-line, and they graciously allowed me to trail re:VOX in their last printed issue.

Had the band not reformed it's likely I would have stopped well before now - indeed, that was the plan - as the range of content I could cover was rapidly diminishing - reviews and news aside - or so it seemed, but of course the reunion changed everything smile

And the Record Collector gig opened up the possibility of talking to others, such as Rusty Egan. Exciting times still.

Thanks for your kind words - but how could I not cover the campaign. The very thought of it!. Not a very directly Ultravox issue, though, it struck me after wrapping it up - not even one photo. Still, the next one will make up for that in spades.

Rob

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#84041 - Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:24:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Hi Robak.....
Would you mind if I scanned the Vienna Campaign article and posted it to the facebook & Myspace pages? smile

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#84042 - Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:07:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Not at all - I can send you the original pages if that's easier?

Rob

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#84043 - Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:14:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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That would be great.... my scanner is a bit past it! LOL

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#84044 - Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:42:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Cheers for your comments Chris.

You could be right about Midge's first synth, my memory about the CS10 came from Midge's autobiography but I was unable to check it as ironically, the 'Electronically Yours' Webmeister Orac still hasn't given my copy back to me after a year and a half! I know it was definitely a Yamaha as he used their guitars and got a discount from them. As Rusty didn't deny it when I asked him the question, I went with my original text. But if anyone can check Midge's book on my behalf, I'll happily correct it if it's totally wrong laugh

I was hoping Rusty would tell me which drum machine he first got but he went off on a bit of tangent as he does and gave me some wonderful copy. He was just great throughout the 15 minutes I had with him.
Hi Jimmy

I checked Midge's autobiography and it was a polyphonic CS50. Lucky man! laugh Mind you by the time he produced the Visage demos he also had the string machine (SS30) and the mysterious drum machine. Rusty on the demos replaced the drum machine tracks with real drums (RJ Burgess protoypes?). Although, I hear a drum machine on the recording In The Year 2525.

Does anyone know which drum machine Midge first owned and used? Who knows, it might have been Rusty's.

Chris wink

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#84045 - Sun, 04 Apr 2010 05:47:00 Re: Visage - NEW ALBUM!
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Does anyone know which drum machine Midge first owned and used? Who knows, it might have been Rusty's.
G'day, Chris! Nice to catch you on here again. I don't know for 100% certainty, but I think it may have been the Roland CR-78 CompuRhythm ... not only was Warren using it with Ultravox, but apparently Midge had one as well. Danny mentioned it was Midge's machine they used for the recording of the Modern Man Concrete Scheme album in 1980. Since the CR-78 came out in 1978, it's possible Midge had one when he recorded the Visage demos. I'm not sure when Warren got his, as he still used the TR-77 on Systems Of Romance (eg: Quiet Men) and with the John Foxx line-up of the band in 1979. So, he may have got his mid-1979 prior to the recording of the first tracks of the Vienna album, including Vienna itself, of course.

Cheers ...

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