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#73016 - Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:42:00 MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Ey-up folks!
The photo's from last Sunday's gig at the Limelight Club in Crewe have now been added to the Monument Official website. If anyone would like to contribute by submitting a gig review of the latest show, it would be much appreciated smile
Reviews to be emailed to this address...
tabnab1@aol.com

Finally, thanks to Daren Martin and Paul Chaplow for the images used in the latest Monument site update. wink

http://www.ultravoxtribute.co.uk/

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#73017 - Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:58:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Great photos guys!!

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#73018 - Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:24:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Thanks Ash wink

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#73019 - Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:49:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Nee problem squire. If there's any more pics you want adding to the site you know where I am. And if I'm not there then I'll be at home wink .

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#73020 - Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:35:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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The photos all look great.... there is just one thing I would like to say at the risk of appearing critical. I understand that obviously photographers, whether professional or amatuer want to have there work accredited to them. However the long sentence stipulating that all photos courtesy of..... and then on the photos themselves "courtesy of...." sort detracts from the photos themselves somehow. It's only in this ONE slideshow..... none of Ari's (or other photographers) fantastic photos have been defaced like this, but I can't help but thinking that all the slideshows should look the same?! I'm not sure if I'm puting across what I'm trying to say very well. I guess what I'm trying to say is that surely a good photo should speak for itself rather than getting drawn into who took what photos?

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#73021 - Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:55:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Helen,

Does it really matter? Daren asked for a mention when we asked him if we could put the shots up on here & on our site Daren & Chappie would have got a name check anyway, as it's only fair...no?

I really don't think it defaces the pics at all!
When are we gettin' a gander at yours then?...(pictures, I mean!) :p

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#73022 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:31:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sleepwalker:
When are we gettin' a gander at yours then?...(pictures, I mean!) :p
eek shocked wink

Ok, I think you've misunderstood hun.... firstly, nah it doesn't really matter, but I think in that case all the other photos of the other gigs should be credited, in particular Ari's work.... or have them all listed some where on a "mentions/ thanks to" page. It's just a continuity thing, I think all the slideshows should look the same?!
As for mine, I need to develop them first and as I don't have a darkroom here, it either means getting to me mums or a trip to tescos photo kiosk!!!!!! LOL unfortunately I haven't had the funds to upgrade to a digital version of my 35mm, it would cost a lot of pennies and I have higher priorities than gadgets! wink
Will be up on the myspace page this week though.... don't know if you want them for ultravoxtribute.co.uk as well?

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#73023 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:56:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Thank you Sleepy,

As someone who is trying to develop a portfolio of artists and styles in order to gain opportunities to further what is only a hobby I can, with all rights, claim to have my name next to my photos. It protects my copyright as the creator of the work and it is the ONLY stipulation I make as the work can then be used by the site, group or individual as they wish. I am effectively advertising my work, and linking it to quality, having giving the work, travel and time freely.

Ari has his own portfolio within the site, and as a man whom I admired for both his love of life and his creativity, I would not have it any other way.

I dont recall you having an issue with my credit when Intimate Moments came out, or is it purely because you would not risk to upset Midge, B or Dave as it was their choice to use the items. Would it be so upsetting to you to have an album with my name on it or even the intimate moments teeshirt which has one of my pictures on it?

I do not see any denigrative comments towards any othe photographer, PC, Ash, Andy S, so why be so transparently particular about me? Andy S for example, whose work I admire and is all over MU programmes, even makes an appearance in the LIVE8 book. What I wouldn't give to have something so prestigious on my hobby C.V.

The only way such an opportunity can have any possibility of happening is making sure that I, and anyone else whose work is given freely, is correctly credited. I am sure that Paul C and the band, would not wish to have his / their efforts denigrated in an attempt to raise my hackles. It will not work, so why bother?

I have read the site comments reference pics with a smile as it was obvious that neither you nor anyone connected with you would acknowledge my efforts. It isn't an issue to me but surely graciousness should move beyond personal grievances. We were all at the gig to support the band, each in our own way.

If anything, such petty pickings and the desire to dictate how someone else's site should look because it does not meet your wishes reeks only of cynicisim and insecurity.

I don't suppose then that should your photos appear on the Monument website, and I hope they do, as then we can all be subjective, supportive if not positivley critical, that you will not anticipate a credit to "Wallaceartworks" in order to "showcase" your own work? That would be your right of course as what is good for the goose can indeed be good for the gander.

I made a commitment to Don, when settling any differences we had, created as a matter of fact by otherswith a possible agenda, that I would not be responsible for creating any antagonism within their comminity but did clearly state that I would answer any remarks with clarity and hopefully a clear conscience.

So, how others can perceive you over this petty matter is up to them, but surely you haven't covered yourself with glory here. Please, the effort is not worth it and I can only see one potential loser in the matter.

Let sleeping dogs lie, I certainly have........

dm!!

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#73024 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:07:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Having now actually looked at the monument website and the album I get the impression that Chappie may have placed his name on his work prior to it being issued to the site. Therefore, the decision to have them in that style is taken out of the site mods hands and they has acted correctly, as far as I can see. My work actually has a digital watermark on it to prevent mis-use, but that cannot be visibly seen. I can't say if Chappies does, so to protect his work he has done the minimum required.

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#73025 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:32:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Darren, No I didn't add this to my photo's - I can only assume Ash did it for me, I do have a digital watermark on my prints which is added by Flickr. I'm only too pleased that both our portfolios are being viewed favourably by people on both sites, especially since it is the first time I have attempted to photograph gigs.

Lets move on from this please.

Chappie

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#73026 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 02:43:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MidgeVox:
I can, with all rights, claim to have my name next to my photos. It protects my copyright as the creator of the work
Yes of course you can, and no-one has suggested you can't or shouldn't!
Ari has his own portfolio within the site, and as a man whom I admired for both his love of life and his creativity, I would not have it any other way.
Well then what's wrong with the suggestion that all contributor's should be credited in the same way?

I dont recall you having an issue with my credit when Intimate Moments came out
In fact quite the opposite, it was me who B had asked for the correct selling of your name! laugh or is it purely because you would not risk to upset Midge, B or Dave as it was their choice to use the items.
You're just being silly. As it happens I was very happy for you, as at the time I was greatly deceived into thinking you and I were friends! confused2 confused2 Tell you what though, this isn't the first or even second time that you have attempted to assasinate my character.... I'm getting a little tired of it to be honest! I wasn't trying to dictate anything! As a founder member of the site and one of the most active participants, I was giving an opinion...... heaven forbid I have one of those eh?! :rolleyes:

then we can all be subjective, supportive if not positivley critical,
I wouldn't expect you to be anything else Daren! LOL
that you will not anticipate a credit to "Wallaceartworks" in order to "showcase" your own work?
Ok, this is the crux of the matter and the whole point of my original post..... In my personal opinion, I think the way that the slideshows were displayed (in the previous gig) looks better and shows off the quality of the photos better. In my opinion, I personally would rather have my work displyed this way and perhaps have a seperate list of "thank-you's/ acknowledgements/ credits" listing all contributors. Just as you would in a book, on a cd or indeed on this website.

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#73027 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 02:44:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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That would be your right of course as what is good for the goose can indeed be good for the gander. and this relates back to my point tha all contributors should be credited and valued equally. There are several slideshows of several shows, what makes 11th March so special? So whay should it be displayed differently? My observation and suggestion had NOTHING to do with the fact that you were one of the contributors..... as I said before I was thinking of the continuity of the site!

I made a commitment to Don, when settling any differences we had, created as a matter of fact by otherswith a possible agenda, that I would not be responsible for creating any antagonism within their comminity but did clearly state that I would answer any remarks with clarity and hopefully a clear conscience.
What sure what this means, but I couldn't possibly comment... conversations you have with other people are none of my business and personal, perhaps they should stay that way? Not sure who you are refering to re: agenda, you'll have to be more specific!

Let sleeping dogs lie, I certainly have........[/QUOTE]
Yes, I can see that by your 500 word essay :rolleyes: confused2 nervouslaugh

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#73028 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:19:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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569 to be precise! bemused

Paranoidally yours

dm!!

P.S, I shall offer no more comment re this subject as I find it difficult to take seriously, comments from those who cant even count my entries correctly.

P.P.S 117 incusive. :p

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#73029 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:39:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Daz, as far as I'm concerned the matter is well and truelly closed. (until the next time :rolleyes: ) I would like to point something out however, just for your own future reference. Anyone who has done any form of essay writing will know that you do not count pro-nouns, prepositions, etc in your wordcount. So you don't count "to" "from" "and" etc.... and I'm not sad enough to ACTUALLY count word for word, I looked at it and it was a guestimate! nutjob If you're saying 569... I'd say it was a pretty bloody good guess actually! laugh

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#73030 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 04:23:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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word count from "tools" in word. Have other things to do than actually count my drivel or anyone elses for that matter.

btw,

A level psychology, english literature, police psychological assesment and interview techniques amongst other skills but thanks for the laugh at the spelling, thats what word and spell checkers do!

I shall, if you shall, consider this chapter closed.

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#73031 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 04:50:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Daz, You're getting a bit infantile and scraping the bottom of the barrel if you're reduced to getting into a slanging match over spelling mistakes and typos. I happen to have several keys missing off my laptop (and I have NEVER used spellcheck) so what's your excuse? incusive? what does that mean? Are we going to go down the route of academia and qualifications are we? I'm pretty sure an "A level" doesn't qualify you to make a clinical assesment? confused2
Is there anything else you would like to get off your chest? Any other personal insults you can throw, go on Daz.... let's pretend we're in the school playground: bet you were good as the schoolyard bully!

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#73032 - Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:12:00 Re: MONUMENT WEBSITE UPDATE
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Good lord you two, cut it out. <img border="0" alt="[Pissed]" title="" src="graemlins/pissed.gif" />

Closing topic...

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