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#666 - Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:50:00 "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Hi everyone...
is there someone out there who can shed some lights on the so-called "Metamatic Demos" bootleg?

My CDR copy has 19 tracks, but among them are included tracks which I guess cannot be defined as "demos from the Metamatic sessions", such as the instrumental Quiet Men #3, which appeared on the Meridians 2 cassette tape. Also, other tracks seem to be just poor quality recordings on tape of songs released on singles (such as "Burning Car", "Mr. No", "Glimmer"). They're the original versions, just recorded by someone on tape in a lo-fi way.

I know that copies with a shorter tracklisting, probably featuring just the proper "demos", exist. Some songs have mysterious titles, such as "Jamie's Theme"...does anybody know if among these tracks are those planned for inclusion in the "Identification Of A Woman" soundtrack and shelved by the movie director?

Does anybody have an "official tracklisting"?

Thanks for any help!!!

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#667 - Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:10:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Originally posted by Roger:
Does anybody have an "official tracklisting"?
I've received a number of requests for this, so if anyone wants to send me a copy of "Metamatic Demos", then I will do my very best to put a definitive track-listing together...

Rob

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#668 - Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:23:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Originally posted by Roger:
Some songs have mysterious titles, such as "Jamie's Theme"...does anybody know if among these tracks are those planned for inclusion in the "Identification Of A Woman" soundtrack and shelved by the movie director?
I'm fairly sure that non of these tracks were originally planned for the "Identification of a Woman" soundtrack. It's also incorrect to refer to them as "Metamatic Demos" as I think they were put together for a short film entitled "The Bed" - this would explain some of the more bizarre track titles like "Bed Flight". As far as I am aware the film was never released - so I can't confirm how much (or little) of John's music was going to have been used.

Rob

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#669 - Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:48:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Oddly enough, I'm fairly sure (99%) that I have a scan of the box that contains what would be the 'production Master' for "The Bed". Another thing to dig out at some stage... wink

Rob

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#670 - Fri, 08 Oct 2004 03:13:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Hi Rob

I have these Demos too in a good sound because it is reworked by a old forum member who "sliped away" since a year... But he had done a very good job ( Thanks for it!!!). But he reworked only the stuff which is not availlable officially - the original bad sounding Demos have some stuff incl. which is released as bonus tracks on the new Metamatic CD from the edsel label. I don't know why John doesn't released the other stuff officially - there are some great tracks on it!

I can send you a copy if you want and perhaps you can write the track list on this site for all the people. And it would be great to know some" background" stories of " The Bed" tracks...

But one question please, Rob: It would be interesting what John think about we share his unofficial stuff. Is it okay for him? I would like to share it but don't want make John angry. At least it would be great he release this stuff in the future - would be nice to have it as an official recording...

But until this day it would great we all share the rare stuff on this site!!! Hope John agree.

Bye, Shadow Mandreas

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#671 - Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:49:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Hi
I agree with Shadow Man's comments. I also have a copy of the Metamatic demo's. It is nice to be able to put a name to them. ( Now my cover is wrong but that doesn't matter bemused
Here is the track listing ( Rob, if John doesn't like it please remove it).
HE'S A LIQUID (This is a short instrumental piece that may or may not belong to "The bed"
PIANO PIECE
DRUMS 1
DRUMS 2
ECHO PIECE
JAMES THEME
BED FLIGHT
TOUCH & GO (strings)
RED COLLAR
Regards Metal Beat

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#672 - Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:46:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Hi, and thanks for the replies.
Our Luca provided me with the same titles mentioned by Andreas, but there are two slight variations:
- Jamie's Theme (instead of "James Theme")
- Bed Cellar (instead of "Red Collar")

I know these are really details, but if someone could offer any further help...

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#673 - Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:13:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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I have the same problem as you Roger.

I got two copies of the Demos in the past but they had different titles on the booklet for these two tracks - so I'm not sure which title is right. Perhaps John can help us? What do you think Rob?

Regards, Andreas

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#674 - Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:25:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Originally posted by Shadow Man:
What do you think Rob?
If someone's prepared to get a copy of this "Metamatic Demos" disc to me (Metamatic, PO Box 21, Ledbury, Herefordshire HR8 2ZB) I will do my very best to put together a definitive track listing for everyone... wink

Rob

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#675 - Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:48:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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It's on the way at weekend Rob.

I will send you a copy only with the unofficial stuff - would be nice to have the right title names.

Bye, S. M.

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#676 - Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:39:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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It's posted

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#677 - Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:19:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Originally posted by Rob Harris:
If someone's prepared to get a copy of this "Metamatic Demos" disc to me (Metamatic, PO Box 21, Ledbury, Herefordshire HR8 2ZB) I will do my very best to put together a definitive track listing for everyone... wink

Rob
Any news about the tracklist Rob?

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#678 - Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:46:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Originally posted by Shadow Man:
Any news about the tracklist Rob?
Firstly, thanks for the CD... smile

Unfortunately I haven't had chance to listen to it yet - I've been VERY busy working on other things. But don't panic, it's on my list of things to do... wink

Rob

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#679 - Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:38:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Originally posted by Rob Harris:
[QUOTE]But don't panic, it's on my list of things to do... wink

Rob
Hi again Rob !

Don't forget that you also have my version of the Metamatic Sessions. To complicate matters mine has 20 tracks in total. Well, 10 unknown instrumentals (2 of them could be The Quiet Man tracks - never heard them before!)

All at the Forum shall await the unveiling of the track listing. Brace yourself !!!! wink

Cheers
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> smile
Chris C

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#680 - Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:56:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Rob,

Track 1 of the MS identified : Quiet Man 3 smile

The Touch magazine and cassette finally made it's way into my Golden Collection !!! laugh

Very avant garde is TM 2 !

Would track 2 be Quiet Man 4 ? Still searching for TM 1 banghead

Are we seconds away from viewing the MS tracklisting and that beauty of a discography!!!!

excited

Chris C

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#681 - Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:45:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Good Morning Rob,

I've managed to solve the MS riddle!!

E-mail on its way!!

Chris C laugh

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#682 - Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:41:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Rob,

I see that you are at The Forum. Was this track listing correct for the Metamatic Sessions:

1) The Quiet Man 3 (6.34)

2) The Quiet Man 4 (3.48)

3) Musique D'Amueblement 1(0.31)

4) A New Kind of Man (single version) (3.51)

5) A New Kind of Man (slow version) (3.57)

6) He's a Liquid (b side) (3.09)

7) He's a Liquid (instrumental) (2.02)

8) Piano Piece (2.27)

9) Mr No (b side) (3.15)

10) Drums (0.34)

11) Echo Piece (2.50)

12) Burning Car (a side) (3.12)

13) Jamie's Theme (1.06)

14) 20th Century (b side) (2.46)

15) Glimmer (b side) (3.39)

16) Film 1 (b side) (3.39)

17) Touch and Go (strings) (2.00)

18 Touch (excerpt) (1.32)

19) Bed Flight (0.41)

20) Bed Cellar (4.37)

Tracks 7), 8), 10), 11), 13), 17), 18), 19), 20) I believe belong to 'The Bed' Soundtrack (a short film).

wink

Roger, mio fratello, questo e vero?
laugh

Chris C
PS mille grazie per From Brussels with Love

As Piggy said "Long Live Franco Baresi!"

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#683 - Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:20:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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I really like the demo version of 'New Kind of Man' smile

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#684 - Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:25:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Hi Alex
The demo disc must of arrived to you this morning. Good isn't it. laugh

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#685 - Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:49:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Originally posted by Alex S:
I really like the demo version of 'New Kind of Man' smile
I love it! Our one regret is that very strong tracks like A New Kind Of Man and Like a Miracle (not included in the Demos compilation) were overshadowed by John's Classic debut Underpass.

No-one Driving, Burning Car and Miles Away are great singles but these 2 aforementioned tracks should have been released too.

Mind you I haven't heard the '79 version of Like a Miracle but it must be an epic!

Boy I do love The Quiet Man 3 instrumental and Piano Piece, a simple but melancholy beautiful instrumental.

Don't we all love the art of Metamatica...John give us the fans a box set called "A New Kind of Man"...Your triumphant return to the music world! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

Chris C laugh

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#686 - Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:36:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Originally posted by METAL BEAT:
Hi Alex
The demo disc must of arrived to you this morning. Good isn't it. laugh
YEP! excited

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#687 - Sun, 05 Dec 2004 09:29:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Hi Chris,
I checked my copy of the so-called "Metamatic Demos" or "Metamatic Sessions".
I guess that many versions exist. They differ under two respects, hence the different tracklistings:

1) some have just the "The Bed" stuff, some have also the rare official tracks included; so, sometimes you could find a long tracklisting and sometimes a very short one; your copy, as mine, features a long tracklisting;

2) two tracks are just drum machine loops, as in the case of your copy (track 10 and track 19, I guess). But some copies, like mine, have the drum machine loops united in just one track, and that's why my tracklisting differs from yours.

Anyway, your tracklisting shows "Jamie's Theme" and "Bed Cellar" as correct titles, and not "James' Theme" and "Red Collar"...the mystery continues... banghead

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#688 - Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:17:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Thanks Roger!
laugh

It seems that we are on the right track. Rob is very quiet on this. Is John about to unveil in 2005 all his rare tracks as advertised back in 2000?

John andiamo?!!!!
wink
Chris C

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#689 - Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:13:00 Re: "Metamatic Demos" boot tracklisting
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Originally posted by Chris C:
Rob is very quiet on this.
Just VERY busy working on other things I'm afraid... frown

Quote:
Originally posted by Chris C:
Is John about to unveil in 2005 all his rare tracks as advertised back in 2000?
Doubtful... frown

Rob

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