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#67058 - Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:51:00 Make it sound 1980 ?
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A bizzillion years ago I stole my big brothers "Rage in eden" album and played until there was nothing left but scratches.
Now, I sometimes try to make my own stuff sound like it was recorded back then.
With all the mac/pc plugins and fancy virtual analouges that shouldn't be a problem?
The stringmachines - ok. The "blingy" heavy vibrato lead sounds, not to difficult either.
But the screamy Arp Odyssey solos by Billy Currie.... always wanted to imitate that one.
After hours of fiddling around with Arp plugins ,and what should resemble his setup in outboard fx, I gave up. Of course a lot of it is also Billys playing technique.
Until i finally tried a cheap Yamaha AN1X (actually the plg50an board). I think i got pretty close.(Can upload the sysex file if anyones interested)
A segment of a song by a Swedish band I produced.SMPJ. They had heard Ultravox's "Alles klar" and wanted to make a rippof... eh...imitation of it:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/7/1489726/Allt%20ar%20klart.Cut%20mp3.mp3

Anayway. Anyone else have more tips and tricks on how to make now available equipment sound like "old unavailable equipment"?
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#67059 - Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:34:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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A key part of Billy's ARP sound is putting it through an Electric Mistress flanger. And hard syncing OSC2 to OSC1, which you can do on an ARP but not on other monosynths of the era.

Also, try running the synth through a guitar amp and cabinet, and micing the cabinet. Play around with mixing the mic and direct signals. Direct by itself is just too clean, too clinical. You can get away with a LOT of distortion on a monophonic instrument, less so on poly because the intermod grates a bit.

Roy

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#67060 - Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:34:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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Aha. Had figuread out most of that ...but synced oscs - never thought of that one before Thanxx smile

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#67061 - Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:03:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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Hi there!

Roy advices are spot on!
The Roland JP-8000 is actually also quite
cool when it comes to Arp Odyssey-like sounds,
belive it or not! I got onr myself and Ive programmed some really cool sounds on it.
And of course the is the Odyssey-clone:
The Prodyssey manufactured by Creamware.
If you go down the software road: The Oddity
from Gmedia is quite cool too - though it`s software. I once programmed the Currie-lead on it and it came really really CLOSE!!!
I can send it to you - if you are interested.
Last - a lot of the synthsounds on Rage In Eden
was done on the Oberheim OB-X - including some of the leads too (read that at the Matrixsynth website) - and when you listen to the Rage In Eden album it actually makes sense (too me).
Sonicprojects have done a COOL soft version of the OB-X: The OP-X and the OP-X Pro with multimode filter - one of the absolutely BEST softsynths money can by today. When you hear it, I bet you`ll say: Ahaaa... cool
http://www.sonicprojects.ch/obx/description.html
They also make a really cool stringer (while we wait on the one from Gmedia frown )
If you are totally into Billy Currie and OScar:
By the impOSCar and the Billy Currie signature soundset from Gmedia!
Good luck and all the best! smile
JesperDK

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#67062 - Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:07:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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PS: Sorry about the spelling (it`s late) - not so good, but I think you`ll understand wink

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#67063 - Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:31:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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PSS: I know Billy endorses Atmosphere (Spectrasonics) - there is a lot of cool Yamaha CS-80 sampled into this softsynth. As you probably already know Billy also used the CS-80 a lot on Rage In Eden.

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#67064 - Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:42:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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JesperDK:
Good info, thanxx. Yeah, if u could send me the patch (fxp file) for the Prodyssey. It would be really interesting to see how u did it (cause I never
really managed to make an deasent imitation on it)
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#67065 - Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:30:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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You got mail! wink

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#67066 - Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:24:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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Another tip if you're after THAT Odyssey sound if you have the Prodyssey or Odditty...

Sync Oscillators, lower Osc 1 & 2 levels into the mixer and raise the Ring Mod slider, also make sure you only use the vibrato slider on Osc 1, and shove it through a MONO flanger (stereo flanging just isn't quite right)

Sadly, there is a serious bug on the Prodyssey which creates nasty aliasing when you use the sync and ring mod combination - Gmedia's Odditty sounds much better in this regard - one day, maybe, Creamware/Sonic Core will fix this bug.

Andy.

BTW... Although not done on an ARP, there's a sound bite of Billy's lead sound done on my (almost completed) Modular synth. Look for "Cheese Curry" on the audio page here...

www.solarmaxx.co.uk

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#67067 - Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:44:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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It looks
fantastic matey wink
Hopefully it will sound as good as the Odyssey / 2600 wink

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#67068 - Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:08:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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Well that's also one way to do it...build it yourself...
Really cool

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#67069 - Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:31:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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Jesper DK. Thank's for the patches!
A bit of amp.sim etc etc they sound as they should. But ,seems like I need to get a later ver of the oddity. I guess that when moving the fm sliders (and only one of them) it shouldnt be so so "klikcy" or maybe a real Odessy behaved like that...?

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#67070 - Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:32:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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Thanks Biomekkanik!
The latest version of the Oddity is 1.02 as
far as I know - and Im not sure if there will
be any difference. I think it sounds the same on your and mine Oddity.
I don`t know about the real thing - I never
had the honour of playing or be the PROUD owner
of an Odyssey. But I think it sounds pretty much
the same on the Odyssey.
Perhaps some of the other synth-weirdos can help
here!? smile

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#67071 - Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:38:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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You are a genious Andy!!! WOW!!!

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#67072 - Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:48:00 Re: Make it sound 1980 ?
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Ah, Synth Weirdo... If that is what I am, then so be it smile

The zipping noise you hear on the Oddity's is a bit of an unfortunate side effect of using the mouse pointer to control the on-screen slider (the parameter resolution isn't high enough)... If you have an external MIDI controller that you can map a knob or slider to, the zipping sound stops and you get a much smoother transition.

The Oddity is a great emulation of the original... near perfect except that there's no +/- 2 octave transpose switch - which is something else that Mr. Curry (Currie) used to great effect.

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