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#66330 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:46:00 Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Help!
I've got ImpOscar and Oddity plug-ins that I use on the PC and I am trying to get Billy's screamin' lead solo sound - the one he used in Hymn.
Can anyone help?
I think it was done on the ARP but if anyone has the sound as a loadable patch for the ImpOscan or the Oddity I would be very grateful!

Will play drums in return for help!

Cheers
Scott

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#66331 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 05:51:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hi Scott!

Yes, I can help you! Ive programmed the leadsound myself on my Oddity - originally Billy
used his Arp Odyssey - so send me an email, and I`ll send you a couple of patches for the Oddity.
Remember to use some fx: Overdrive/distortion and
flanger!
All The Best!
JesperDK

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#66332 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 05:59:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hi

I've been trying to emulate this sound for a while too! - I have the Oddity, which I can't really make any sense of!!! My favourite soft synth is the impOSCar.

The closest I've got is to load the Oscar preset bank (after the 10 or so big programmes, I think that the Oscar patch is the original synth defaults), and there is a preset on there called LFOlead or something like that, it's definately a lead!!. If you increase the filter drive to full, turn the effects on, chorus to about half, delay level up to half, glide to around 10pm, wheel bend to full, then play using the wheel bend for dives, and the 'PitchMod' control for the out of control vibrato, I think you get the basic flavour.

The real deal though, is that it's in the player, rather than a patch - Billy Currie would sound awesome playing a Casio VL Tone!

Dave

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#66333 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:13:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Well Scott, they should be in your email know! wink

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#66334 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:20:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Well Dve - they should be in your email too! wink
Comments and suggestions are very welcome from both
of you!
JesperDK

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#66335 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:03:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Quote:
Originally posted by JesperDK:
Well Scott, they should be in your email know! wink
Hi Jesper!
Many thanks for the patches and the kind emails - I'll load them into Oddity and give them a go.
I'm really a drummer, not a keyboard player, but I love messing around and I always loved the screaming lead sound that Billy got and wondered how he did it.
The Oddity does kind of screw my head up when I look at the interface - all looks very complicated to me!
I am running Oddity through Cubase SX3 - whats the best way to add things like distortion, flange etc?
I think a lot of it really is down to the way Billy plays though - he makes the notes just seem to flow and glide into one another - a genius!
Many thanks for your help!
Scott

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#66336 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:25:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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oooh! can i be really cheeky and scrounge a copy of them patches too please??? smile

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#66337 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:27:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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How do I load the .PST files you sent me into the Oddity?
It only seems to accept banks .PBK files?

Help!
Scott

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#66338 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:28:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Quote:
Originally posted by casm:
oooh! can i be really cheeky and scrounge a copy of them patches too please??? smile
No Problem - as long as Jesper doesn't mind.

...and you can tell me how to load .PST files into the Oddity!

Scott

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#66339 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:33:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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erm, im not sure actually, i havent tried myself. i`ll try and find out.
as for the patches, i`ll just wait till jesper agrees first as i wouldnt wanna grab them without the owners say so. smile

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#66340 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:48:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hey!
Of course you can have the sounds Casm - so just
send him the sounds!!! smile
Well, loading the sounds: I use Logic and in Logic there is a folder where you can put all your single-sounds (Its called "plug-in settings" in Logic. There must be such a folder
in Cubase too. Try that!
If it doesn`t function we will have to solve
that problem! smile
All The Best!
JesperDK

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#66341 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:53:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Well, the efx:
You could add the overdrive/distortion as an insert effect
on the channel and add the flanger or delay if you wish using the sends/returns.

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#66342 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:53:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hi jesper,
Nothing like that in Cubase SX 3 and the Oddity refuses to load these single sounds.
Can you send me them as part of a BANK file please - a .PBK file.

Scott

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#66343 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:12:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hi Scott!
I don`t use entire banks (pbk) but I will create
one sometime tomorrow - and then I`ll send it to you. I will also ask one of friends about the Cubase-"problem".

Sleep well!
JesperDK

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#66344 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:49:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Thanks Jesper.
I cant see a way of getting Oddity to load individual sounds like that at all - it all has to be done using banks - these .PBK files.
I am using Cubase SX 3 on the PC to run Oddity.
Many thanks for your help - can't wait to hear your sounds!
Scott

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#66345 - Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:31:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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I've got Oddity at home - will have a look tonight if no-one's solved it by then. smile

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#66346 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:57:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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I still cant see a way of loading individual sounds into Oddity running thru Cubase SX 3 on the PC.

Bummer! confused

Anyone help! I really want to get as close to Billy's screamin' lead sound as I can - it must be possible - yeah?

Scott

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#66347 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:05:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Oddity can only load BANKS of sounds not individual sounds themselves.
See pages 6, 7 and 8 of the Oddity user guide.

Unless!! You use Logic - which enables you to load and save individual sounds.
Bit of a bummer if you, like me, and running Oddity on the PC thru Cubase SX 3!

Jesper - can you send me those sounds a spart of a bank please? It's the only way I will be able to load them.

Ta
Scott

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#66348 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:33:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Scott

I'm assuming you have the edit window of the Oddity open - so you can see all the virtual sliders, yeah?

Ignore the "load" option bottom left. At the top of that screen you can see a drop down menu which shows all the sounds when you select it. Just to the right of that you can see file menu with options (when you click on it) for loading and saving banks and also individual files. Just hit "load individual file" and load up the sound from wherever you saved it.

That's it. It does work - I just did it myself.

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#66349 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:40:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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is that using cubase or logic tho? cos im trying that in cubase and it does not want to recognise the patch, even if you rename the extention.

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#66350 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:47:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Sorry should've said. Cubase (5.1 actually). Haven't tried Jesper's patch as I don't have it - I just saved a test patch of my own, changed banks, then loaded that 1 sound back in.

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#66351 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:56:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hi everybody!
Well you should all have received an email
now - including you Phil! smile
It`s the first patch/sound in the bank!
Hope it works this time!

Im going to bed - I`ve cought a cold - damn!
All The Best
JesperDK

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#66352 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:05:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Quote:
Originally posted by Flip Martian:
Sorry should've said. Cubase (5.1 actually). Haven't tried Jesper's patch as I don't have it - I just saved a test patch of my own, changed banks, then loaded that 1 sound back in.
The "Load Instrument" option loads .FXP files - Jesper's sound was a .PST file when we cannot get to load.

Got the sound in a bank file - just off to try it now!

Scott

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#66353 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:09:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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thanks very much, having some fun with it now smile

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#66354 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:14:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Well....just a comment:
I think the sound Ive programmed
is a bit more of a "live-sound" that Billy
used...it`s a bit more sharp or piercing
or what you call it in english - a little
bit better for live-perfomance - cuts through!!!
Comments and suggestions etc. are more than
welcome smile

JesperDK

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#66355 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:33:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Originally posted by Scott McPhee:
The "Load Instrument" option loads .FXP files - Jesper's sound was a .PST file when we cannot get to load.
Scott
Well that would certainly be why then... smile

Well the bank he's sent works well at least. Sounds great, well done Jesper. laugh

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#66356 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:37:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hi everybody!
Well, as Flip pointed out in an email,
the need of a hardware controller becomes
quite obvious here - when you want to play
the Oddity the Billy-way! smile
I use a Dopfer Pocket Dial myself (only knobs)
but as Flip also points out, it will make
a BIG difference in this case - with the
Oditty - that the controller has sliders!
I think some of the Doepfer`s have that.
Ill (we`ll) have to save some money again! smile

JesperDK

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#66357 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:40:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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and THANKS for the very very kind words
everybody!!! smile
Please let us all know if you have some
great suggestions about modifying the sound!!!

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#66358 - Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:30:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Yeah many thanks Jesper - sounds great!
I use a Roland D-10 as a midi controller, but drums are more my instrument. I still love messing around with my keyboards though - especially ImpOscar and Oddity.

....I just need to work out how to add some cool overdrive and flange to jespers cool sound with Cubase SX 3!
....or I could just push the sound through my VS-2480 and add it there - much easier!

Scott

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#66359 - Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:21:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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The vital part to re-creating his sound is to use square wave for Osc 2, Sync and Ring Mod.

Set VCO 2 to Square - no PWM, switch on Sync, raise the sliders for ring mod and Osc 2 into the filter mixer, set ADSR to the Filter Voltage control, Sustain should be max, AR to the VCA, and ADSR into VCO2 Voltage control.

Open your VCF to 75%(ish)... you should now hear something... Hold a note and raise the VCO2 VC Mod (ADSR) slider up... Sound familiar? Try lowering the Frequency of VCO 2 also - that helps.

A bit of overdrive and flanger helps (Specifically Electo Harmonix Electric Mistress).

I tend to find that the Oddity is too "static" sounding - the original Odyssey's ring mod used to make a continual grungy gurggle (at least mine did!), something I can't re-create on the Oddity, but can on the Roland JP8000 (which is a superb Oddy replacement).

Hope this helps

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#66360 - Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:45:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Oooh, ooh, ooh... Almost forgot... for THAT vibrato sound, raise LFO CV into OSC 1 - Phew!

Would it be easier if I upload an Oddy template somewhere?

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#66361 - Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:40:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hi Mo`s Lotion!

THANKS - really really GREAT - even more
POWER!!! laugh
And I think you are just right: Maybe a big
surprise to many people...the Roland JP8000
is actually a really really great substitude
for the Arp - you can program some reeaaaly
GREAT Currie-leads using the Feedback OSC!!!

Thanks again and all the best! smile
JesperDK

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#66362 - Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:15:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mo's Lotion:
Oooh, ooh, ooh... Almost forgot... for THAT vibrato sound, raise LFO CV into OSC 1 - Phew!

Would it be easier if I upload an Oddy template somewhere?
Yeah - can you email me your Oddity's bank file please (the .PBK file) - the once containing this sound so I can try it out?
Many Thanks
Scott

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#66363 - Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:30:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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The template I have will have to be scanned, as it's from an original ARP Odyssey template I did about 17 years ago!!

I'll see how close I can recreate it on the Oddity and put up a link.

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#66364 - Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:22:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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That would be great - sorry, I thought you had re-created it in the Oddity,

If anyone has any other cool Oddity or Oscar banks - email them to me and I would be glad to host them.

Scott

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#66365 - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:46:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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hi,i also have the oddity & imposcar.
any chance of mailing me the lead patches please.

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#66366 - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 06:10:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hi Gazza! smile

Unfortunately I don`t have the Oddity anymore
or the great lead patch I did, but try and
mail Scott or Flip - people here are always
very helpful!

If I were you, then I would buy the Billy
Currie Signature soundset for the impOSCar!
There are a lot of great sounds in there
including the LGA lead! You can buy it here:
http://www.gforcesoftware.com/signature_sounds.php

Good luck!
Jesper

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#66367 - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:05:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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thanx jesper:)

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#66368 - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:27:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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You got mail! I`ve just sent you an old
Odyseey patch sheet I still got!
But I would still ask Flip and Scott!

wink

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#66369 - Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:38:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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I also have a copy of Billy's ARP Odyssey 'Lead Sound' on an old patch sheet, that was given to me by the guy i bought my Odyssey from.

It's spot on & even better when fed through either an Electric Mistress or MXR T-117 flanger

Give me a shout if anyone would like a copy of this.
I also have a patch sheet with Chris's 'Moog bass' patch for the Minimoog cool

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#66370 - Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:00:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Chris`s Minimoog patch sheet...YES Please!!! cool

Well, it must have been you Sleepy, who gave
me the Odyssey patch sheet back then!

smile

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#66371 - Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:46:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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thanks jesper

'sleepwalker'...yes please!

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#66372 - Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:18:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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hi jesper,
dont seem to have recieved email?
can resend please:)

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#66373 - Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:10:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Hi Gazza! smile
You got mail again - hopefully!

I received some sort of a "Time Out"
mail, when I sent the first one. Strange!

Let`s hope it works this time!

Jesper

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#66374 - Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:45:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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"Time out"-email again!
What`s happening? confused

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#66375 - Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:06:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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hi jesper, i got your email.
but when i replied it returned a problem?

so thanks again here.

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#66376 - Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:02:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Great!!! smile
Strange problem though...

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#66377 - Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:23:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Well, it's now official... Billy *is* using Gmedia's Oddity and VSM and Chris is using Minimonsta as part of their live setup - I guess it would be an obvious choice really.

http://www.gforcesoftware.com/

Meanwhile, I'm waiting for an ARP Solus to arrive from the US. It's not working frown but I'm sure I can breathe some life into it excited

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#66378 - Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:38:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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Congratulation Mr Arp wink
If anyone can make it work, it`s you!

smile

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#66379 - Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:23:00 Re: Billy's screamin' lead sound
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OOH! I have imposcar, minimonsta & Oddity.. must get hold of VSM & M tron pro smile

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