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#583 - Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:18:00 chart statistics
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Hi, finally I have a working computer again - the big beastie having blown up on me a while back.

Anyway, I'm working with Vladimir on an article pulling together all his chart info from around the world with some extra details that I have to hand, and so thought I'd post up all the John Foxx data I now been able to amass, as it expands on what Vladimir previously posted here (and only fair to put a little back in, after all)... and what a busy little bee he's been on this (oh, and Vladimir - I'll show you what I've done with it soon, I promise)!

Anyway, here goes:

Underpass - charted: 26/01/1980
Highest: #31, with an 8 week chart run of #67-47-33-31-33-39-46-73

Metamatic - charted: 2/2/1980
Highest: #18, with a 7 week chart run of #?-?-18-?-?-?-?

No-One Driving - charted: 29/03/1980
Highest: #32, with a 4 week chart run of #32-32-35-59

Burning Car - charted: 19/07/1980
Highest: #35, with a 7 week chart run of #64-38-36-35-43-59-72

Miles Away - charted: 8/11/1980
Highest: #51, with a 3 week chart run of #51-51-64

Europe after the Rain - charted: 29/08/1981
Highest: #40, with a 5 week chart run of #62-40-41-47-58

The Garden - charted: 3/10/1981
Highest: #24, with a 6 week chart run

Endlessly - charted: 2/07/1983
Highest: #66, with a 3 week chart run of #72-66-72

The Golden Section - charted: 8/10/1983
Highest: #27, with a 3 week chart run

Your Dress - charted: 17/09/1983
Highest: #61, with a 1 week chart run

In Mysterious Ways - charted: 5/10/1985
Highest: #85, with a 1 week chart run

Yes, a bit disappointing, but then what John was producing was always going to be on the margins compared to more obvious chart-bound acts, and that's no guarantee of quality after all smile

Interesting that the first week in October became the default release date for the final three Virgin albums. Coincidence? Who knows?

Rob

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#584 - Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:39:00 Re: chart statistics
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Did "Dancing Like a Gun" get a chart position? I recall it was released after "Europe after the rain"

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#585 - Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:15:00 Re: chart statistics
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Hi, H, I'm afraid it didn't. Those are all the UK top 75/100 positions (as the cut-off point changed over the years) that John scored, as recorded across several different reference works/web-sites.

A bit surprising, I know.


Don't laugh - well, you can do, I won't mind smile - but I remember seeing the video to Dancing Like a Gun on one of the BBC saturday morning shows at the time... and not being greatly impressed. I was a little too hardcore Ultravox at the time, and so only came to his material later after hearing and loving the second Endlessly single, and then really enjoying a second-hand copy of No-One Driving and hence snapping up all his back catalogue from there smile

Rob

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#586 - Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:17:00 Re: chart statistics
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Just thought of opening this kind of a thread for John smile

Actually there are some omissions in that list you posted, Rob:

Dancing Like a Gun charted in the official UK Top-100 - on 7 Nov 1981 for 2 weeks.

Likewise, first version of Endlessly entered the Top-100 too - on 31 July 1982 for 5 wks.

The official chart at that time was only a Top-75 (until January 1983, when officially expanded to Top-100), so positions below were not indicated - therefore I cannot give peak positions for these singles.

The last Foxx's single that charted was Stars on Fire - charted on 6 July 1985 for 2 weeks (#89 - 95)

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#587 - Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:24:00 Re: chart statistics
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Statistics from the "alternative" UK chart published by "New Musical Express":

"METAMATIC"
Entered: 16-Feb-80
Peak: 8
Run: 2 wks

"Underpass"
Entered: 23-Feb-80
Peak: 28
Run: 1 wk

"No One Driving"
Entered: 05-Apr-80
Peak: 24
Run: 2 wks

"Miles Away"
Entered: 15-Nov-80
Peak: 30
Run: 1 wk

"THE GARDEN"
Entered: 03-Oct-81
Peak: 23
Run: 4 wks

"Your Dress"
Entered: 17-Sep-83
Peak: 43
Run: 1 wk

"THE GOLDEN SECTION"
Entered: 08-Oct-83
Peak: 26
Run: 3 wks

"Stars on Fire"
Entered: 13-Jul-85
Peak: 48
Run: 2 wks

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#588 - Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:31:00 Re: chart statistics
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As for chart information outside the UK - unfortunately, John had almost no commercial success. He has no chart hits even in Ireland! The only country where he reached wide audience is New Zealand - he had a hit single ( Europe After the Rain ) and a hit album ( The Garden ).

With "Europe After the Rain" he had a bit of a minor hit in the Netherlands, too - the song reached the so-called Tipparade (a chart of songs growing in popularity, that may later enter the main hit parade) on 31 Oct 1981.

And that's about it (which is a shame, I suppose, but that's life).

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#589 - Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:36:00 Re: chart statistics
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BY THE WAY - I have a strong feeling that the girl from "Dancing Like a Gun" video ALSO appeared in Ultravox videos for "The Thin Wall" and "the Voice"!

May I be right, can anybody tell?

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#590 - Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:15:00 Re: chart statistics
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Ah, I was wondering when you'd pop up. Vladimir - thanks for the additions. I was surprised that Dancing like a Gun didn't get a placing, so nice to know it only just missed the recorded listings at that time.

Rob

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#591 - Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:17:00 Re: chart statistics
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It's a shame that John doesn't get more recognition both at home and abroad. Then again I don't think John would be too bothered.

Not sure about the girl in the videos. Will have to check it out when I get a mo.

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#592 - Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:33:00 Re: chart statistics
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Another tiny bit of John's chart action - this time in Australia!

"Metamatic"
Entered: 14/4/1980
Peak: 98
Run: 1 wk

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#593 - Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:07:00 Re: chart statistics
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Hmmmm, thanks for the additions as ever Vladimir! I can see that I shall have to get back to finishing the merging of all this data sooner rather than later smile

Rob

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#594 - Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:00 Re: chart statistics
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Free40 indie chart (Top-10) from the Netherlands:

"Europe After the Rain"
Entered: 28/11/1981
Peak: 1 [1]
Run: 6 wks

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#595 - Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:11:00 Re: chart statistics
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It is just so great to be able to communicate with people from the various countries - among them are the ones that have an important (for you) information smile

Now I managed to get information about John's success in Spain - although not very great, it's still something:

"Europe After the Rain"

>>> official chart:
Entered: 04/1982
Peak: 26
Run: 3 wks
>>> radio chart (Los 40 Principales):
Entered: 10/4/1982
Peak: 8
Run: 5 wks

Hope to get albums info, too.

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#596 - Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:11:00 Re: chart statistics
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Have a look on this fantastic website - the entire UK Charts - this is the John Foxx page - http://www.chartstats.com/artistinfo.php?id=3248

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#597 - Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:49:00 Re: chart statistics
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Yes, it's been a great help, among many other books and guides - both on-line and off - to try and put together one massive Ultravox & related artist chart databank, building on Vladimir's extensive work and putting it all in one place.

Rob

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#598 - Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:33:00 Re: chart statistics
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What's still a huge surprise for me is that why "Europe after the rain" didn't do well. It was a surefire hit and still only got to No. 40, while "Underpass" and "Burning Car" performed much better, being a "difficult" records. Would be interesting to know what happened...

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#599 - Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:36:00 Re: chart statistics
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Very good point, I bet the average punter who followed the UK charts wouldn't work out it seems to be about a post-nuclear world. lol. So I would've thought it would be judged on how catchy it is - in which case, TOP 5 I'd say !! wink :p

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#600 - Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:47:00 Re: chart statistics
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Well, at the time I heard it on the radio - I believe around the same time that She's Got Claws was climbing, but this is purely memory talking, I can't easily grab a chart book to check at the minute - Europe just sounded a much subtler, more whistful tune, and because it was the next step up from the starker, slightly colder Metamatic sound, maybe that didn't grab the record buying public either.

But what do I know? I only retrospectively picked up on John's stuff post Endlessly MkII and just worked my way either side of that and No One's Driving smile I think the actual albums were about the last thing I heard.

Rob

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#601 - Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:57:00 Re: chart statistics
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Rob

Very useful analysis, if you ask me. I was quite pleased when John moved to a more romantic (in the broad sense of the word) sound. But perhaps many folk preferred the robotic stuff. Numan lost some following when he went funk, similar situation perhaps. confused :p

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#602 - Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:42:00 Re: chart statistics
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This is all superb information. i used to love plotting the progress of Ultravox and John Foxx singles, not only their peak positions, but where they were every week they charted. The info above about the songs which were @ 76 to 100 in the singles chart reminds me of those years when Record Mirror [ who printed the full charts each week ] showed those John Foxx singles as 'bubbling under' the Top75. It always intrigued me, would those singles perhaps reach the 75 the next week. Of course they didn't, although as you guys have kindly shown here, some did hang around in those positions between 76 and 100 for several weeks. I would love to see all the data on this thread gathered together and presented in the brilliant ReVox fanzine by Rob. Great stuff.

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#603 - Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:12:00 Re: chart statistics
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A newspaper article in the Scrapbook section of the 9th issue of Extreme Voice fanzine states that the second single by Nation 12, "Remember", reached No. 10 in the dance charts.

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#604 - Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:24:00 Re: chart statistics
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Hi, just catching up on the forum with another issue hatched and dispatched at last smile

Paternoster: You're very kind.

I like to see development in every artist, so I was happy to see John move on and develop, which is why I find part of his current work not to my taste. Yes, he's deeply mining and reconfiguring the Metamatic sound, and yes there are differences between, say, Crash and Burn and From Trash, but for me it's not moving on or away from it in any broader sweep, and so I find myself falling back on the archive stuff.

Yes, Numan did lose some of his following when he went funk, but I think it took him away from getting boxed in as each new LP was becoming less of a progression from the previous one, sonically, and it was obvious from the introduction of some of the Dance songs on his farewell tour, that he was headed in that direction already.

I still love Dance; It's perhaps the longest and most diverse of everything he did, and it was nice to discover all those years later that there was actually a Dance song that had been left off. For that matter, I, Assassin and Warriors (and I love My Centurion) are a solid pair too. Perhaps a shame he didn't stick with Beggars instead of trying Numa. It would have cost him far less smile

SJICQNW - bless you. Well that's what I thought when I saw all the hard work that Vladimir has been doing, it seemed an obvious work in progress to set in motion, at least in print to start with, alongside EV's worldwide discography, whatever decade they finally have time to revisit that and set it live on-line smile

Vladimir - looks like you'll be adding in Nation 12 to the files I sent you, then?!

Rob

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