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#47811 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:41:00 Copyright/Copywrong.
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Remember all the discussion about the resemblance Ms. Osbourne's track bore to Fade to Grey? Well, it seems things might be going further, as Billy's web-site (www.billycurrie.com/news) will witness, with representation beign made to the writer of Ms. Osbourne's song.

The same item started me wondering about the whole copyright issue of band songs and band members, and I wondered if there were folks out there of a legal inclination who might straighten out the argument? Billy's case seems to be that the post-U-Vox Ultravox recorded and toured "classic" material and paid royalties to band members with writing credits (Warren, Chris and Midge), whilst Midge has apparently not done the same for material on his live CDs released on the Environment label. What is the legal status here?

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#47812 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:47:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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UPDATE 22nd August 2005

In my NEWS section here on the 2nd of August 2004 I stated that:- “Midge Ure has demonstrated clearly that he is an unprincipled man”.

Well the misery continues.

The “Diva” Midgey is selling CD's & DVD's on his Environment label through his website. All of these releases have live recordings of Ultravox tracks and the Visage track “Fade to Grey”. This has been going on for 5 years.
I have kept an eye on it.

Midgey is a co-writer of these tracks, they are not his tracks yet he is treating them as if they are his own and not paying writers royalties when he sells the CD's and DVD's. He is not licensing them. This means that me, Chris Cross and Warren Cann, who wrote this Ultravox music with Midgey, is not getting paid for Midgeys use of this music. This also means that me and Chris Payne, who wrote the Visage track “Fade to Grey” with Midgey, is not getting paid for Midgeys use of this music.

I did some live covers of eighties Ultravox tracks way back in 1993. I can assure anyone that the record label Trogan/Receiver and then in 2001 Eagle Rock/Pegasus/Armoury did pay writers royalties. The writers will have seen the catalogue numbers in there accounts. For example RRCD 199 and ARMCD043. Unfortunately I have not seen any ENVCD001 which is one of Midgeys CD's or ENVDVD 007 which is one of Midgeys DVD's.

Midge, and the people running is website and advising him, Berenice Hardman and Phillippa Watson, know that they are openly ripping off musicians.

There is a particular hurtful irony about the “Fade to Grey” track as I am discussing with Chris Morrison's (80's Ultravox & X Midgeys Manager) secretary, and attempting to resolve with Midgey through this route, the copyright abuse of “Fade to Grey” by the writer Linda Perry who wrote “One Word’ for Kelly Osbourne.

Chris Morrison is representing myself and Midgey while Midgey is abusing the copyright himself.

I have tried to get Midge to sort things out, with his label, amicably. Chris Morrison has contacted him about this problem but I have heard nothing back from him.

I also wrote to Midgey a month ago asking him to contact me about this problem but he has not bothered to reply.

Best
Billy

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#47813 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:34:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I can sympathise with the gripe if its true but resorting to childish name calling (Midgey) isn't helping anyone. Maybe it makes Billy feel better.

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#47814 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:12:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I can sympathise with the gripe if its true but resorting to childish name calling (Midgey) isn't helping anyone. Maybe it makes Billy feel better.
But maybe Biwwy would feel even better if he, Chwis and Wawwen got writing credits and royalties for the songs that Midgey performs. laugh lmao

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#47815 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:57:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Without taking any sides, it must be difficult when your perception is that you see someone else making money out of your creativity without paying the necessary dues. Particularlrly when you have a chequered history with said individual.

All I'm saying is that we'll probably never be privvy to what happened between the guys, so it's hard to pass any comment .

You would think that issues like royalties etc would be black + white, but seemingly not ???

As interesting as these snippets are, they also (imho) point to a certain sadness sad

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#47816 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:43:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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It does point to a certain sadness. It's sad to see a friendship between band members crumble like that. sad

As for royalties, though... I thought theirs were split evenly at the time (when they were together). What happened?

Mrs. X

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#47817 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:50:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I think the issue is that when you perform someone else's songs (on record or in concert) then you're supposed to cough up.

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#47818 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:53:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Oh right, of course. *slaps forehead*

Nevermind... nutjob

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#47819 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:59:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I don't honestly know how these things are sorted out , but I would have thought that it was not down to Midge to handle the royalties wouldn't that be something that the publishers handle ?? If every artist had to sort out the copyrights on songs they are performing nobody would get anything done would they ? Anyone on here who can verify who does this ??
It's a real shame that Billy has once again decided to air his grievances in public instead of sorting them out privately. It really does make him sound like a really miserable bitter and twisted old sod nutjob

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#47820 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:22:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I read this comment on Billy's site as well and was quite surprised, too...

On the other hand, the music business and media in general is full of anecdotes of this type - the impossible happens everyday, sadly. In only 3 years, I witnessed such massive incompetence, disorganization and fraud, that it's unbelievable.

And yes, if I remember well, it's the publisher's duty - but then again you never know who did not forward what information and data for a correct proceeding...

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#47821 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:35:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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If Billy hasn't received any performance royalties from Midge's tours then he's been waiting a long time and so he may have a genuine grievance.

There's always 2 sides to a story, but you'd think someone in the operation somewhere would sort out the royalty payments - I would have thought it's pretty bog standard stuff ??

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#47822 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:36:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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As any regular reader of Bill Nelson's diary on his web site will know, royalities and their payment are two very separate things and often bear no relationship to each other, same with publishing by the way.

In Bill Nelson's example EMI payed all royalities for Be-Bop Deluxe to the people who ceased to be in the band in the early 70's and not Nelson himself. EMI's response to this mistake was something along the line of "tough!" Similarly I have a friend who formed and played a successful (in indie terms anyway) band but left after their first album (due to money problems). He has not seen a penny of the earning from that.

The problem both these guys have face is legal action could be taken but that costs a lot of money, which neither of them have. I suspect that this is not an uncommon story, and when they are found out the big business record companies and managers know they are relatively safe because the guys they've ripped off can't afford to get things put right.

As for one artist doing it to another ... well that beggars belief, and I for one are glad I've only ever paid for one of his records. I don't remember who owns the publishing rights but a publisher can refuse permission for the use of a song by an artist.

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#47823 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:21:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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The problem both these guys have face is legal action could be taken but that costs a lot of money, which neither of them have.
And, given the relatively low number of CD's and DVD's sold in this case it certainly wouldn't be worth it. <img border="0" alt="[Shake head]" title="" src="graemlins/shakehead.gif" />

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#47824 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:14:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I can understand if Billy hasn't been payed royalties that he would be aggrieved. But why take it into a public forum like his website :rolleyes: Business like this and the Live Aid DVD and the not being asked to Band Aid moan etc etc should be dealt with in private as most business would be. The only reason I can think that he would do this is to try and harm Midge's reputation.
What really bugs me is that all this seems to have been bought up by Billy at a time when Midges profile is higher than it has been in a while , due to all the work he has done on Band Aid 20 Live 8 and organising the Live 8 show in Scotland and the OBE. Which makes it look like he is jealous of Midge being in the spotlight again confused2
I just can't understand all the bitterness coming from him ?
BILLY LET IT GO banghead
If you are due royalties then go about getting them without the childish name calling and baiting it doesn't do you any good ! <img border="0" alt="[Shake head]" title="" src="graemlins/shakehead.gif" />

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#47825 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:53:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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[b]The problem both these guys have face is legal action could be taken but that costs a lot of money, which neither of them have.
And, given the relatively low number of CD's and DVD's sold in this case it certainly wouldn't be worth it. <img border="0" alt="[Shake head]" title="" src="graemlins/shakehead.gif" /> [/b]
Not necessarily true Pete, not in the Be-Bop Deluxe case they sold a lot of records in the 70s (and it's these royalities that haven't been paid by the way).

The sums might not be massive but if you're on minimum wage then something is better than nothing especially if you've earnt it in the first place. It's like your boss not paying you, what do you do?

Basically if it's due pay it and pay it to the people who earnt it in the first place ... but that's not how the record industry works, and never has. Sad, but true.

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#47826 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:06:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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The sums might not be massive but if you're on minimum wage then something is better than nothing especially if you've earnt it in the first place. It's like your boss not paying you, what do you do?

Basically if it's due pay it and pay it to the people who earnt it in the first place ... but that's not how the record industry works, and never has. Sad, but true.
I couldn't agree more. My point was, as the amounts involved won't be huge then it is not worth incurring a huge legal bill to recoup what is due. I certainly agree that what is due should be paid but then the music industry does not have the best of reputations for this. sad

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#47827 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:11:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I couldn't agree more. My point was, as the amounts involved won't be huge then it is not worth incurring a huge legal bill to recoup what is due. I certainly agree that what is due should be paid but then the music industry does not have the best of reputations for this. sad
Sorry yes I see what you mean. I wish I could take this approach with my eletricity or gas bill :rolleyes:

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#47828 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:45:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Sorry yes I see what you mean. I wish I could take this approach with my eletricity or gas bill :rolleyes:
Wouldn't we all? laugh

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#47829 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:06:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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my only comment to this case is that money separates ol' friends - once again , which indeed is a great shame & actually the worst kind of man-made "disease" of the so-called "civilized world" !!! sad

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#47830 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:05:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I can understand if Billy hasn't been payed royalties that he would be aggrieved. But why take it into a public forum like his website? Business like this and the Live Aid DVD and the not being asked to Band Aid moan etc etc should be dealt with in private as most business would be
I may be wrong, but didn't Billy said that he tried to contact Midge privately but didn't succeed at all (had no replies etc.)? What he had to do other than post it on his site? Don't stomp him into the ground!

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#47831 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:35:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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[b] I can understand if Billy hasn't been payed royalties that he would be aggrieved. But why take it into a public forum like his website? Business like this and the Live Aid DVD and the not being asked to Band Aid moan etc etc should be dealt with in private as most business would be
I may be wrong, but didn't Billy said that he tried to contact Midge privately but didn't succeed at all (had no replies etc.)? What he had to do other than post it on his site? Don't stomp him into the ground![/b]
In his message Billy said he wrote to Midge one month ago. In that month Midge has been out playing live shows and also had a little something called Live 8 to sort out !! and now he is on a well deserved holiday !!

What should he have done ? Kept trying ! The DVD hasn't been on sale for that long and in case it has passed him by Midge has been a tad busy in the last year or so as I said in my post.

I can sympathise if he is due royalties and it must be frustrating for him , but there is a way to deal with business and the way he has done this again makes him look in a very bad light. Not only to me but to several other people. The way he has written these messages make him sound like a petulant 8 year old , not a middle aged and well respected musician.

You ask me not to stomp Billy into the ground but that is what he seems to be doing to Midge. And before you all assume I am a Midge fans that feels he cannot do any wrong etc etc I am not.

It just seems that the posts Billy makes seem to want to bury Midge completely , and the infantile tone makes him sound very bitter and jealous.

Paul

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#47832 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:26:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Anyhooooooo.... what I want to know is.. When is the Reunion?? lmao lmao lmao lmao

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#47833 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:48:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Anyhooooooo.... what I want to know is.. When is the Reunion?? lmao lmao lmao lmao
biglaugh biglaugh biglaugh

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#47834 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:52:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I hear the Chieftans are up for it laugh

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#47835 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:00:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I hear the Chieftans are up for it laugh
Unlikely... they already produced a pink one in 1986 and are now quarrelling about royalties... lmao

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#47836 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:02:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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... you mean the lack of ....

(the Record Company have confirmed they are willing to pay out any royalties if there are any sales ...)

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#47837 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:30:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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People are entitled to give their views / bitch on their own website. It appears to me that the amount involved is not enough to justify a court case and Billy is trying to force Midges hand by 'shameing' him in public as he is getting no action privately. This matter has been going on for a long time and Midge cannot be too busy to at least acknowledge Billys letter or pass it to his solicitor! If it was the taxman demanding payment would Midge de too busy taking a much deserved holiday to respond? I am not taking sides and wish Billy and Midge would stop whineing about money and get back together for a tour which should make real money for them.

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#47838 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:00:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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So... it's... Midgey now... is it?

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#47839 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:04:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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lmao lmao lmao

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#47840 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:05:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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lmao lmao lmao

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#47841 - Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:34:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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i bet that "midgey" from now on refers to billy jus' as BILL ... or even WILLIAM currie ( "the great" ) then !!! :rolleyes: nervouslaugh lmao

doh ( again ) !!! ha ha ha

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#47842 - Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:45:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Or Willie...!! (Double entendre intended!) lmao lmao lmao

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#47843 - Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:52:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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If people bothered to look at Billy's Site, the legal issue is to do with Kelly Osbournes "One Word" rip-off version "Fade To Grey".

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#47844 - Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:27:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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The root of the thread on Billy's site is, indeed, the FTG ripping-off - a case that presumably involves Midge, too, perhaps to his advantage.

I'm no expert, so forgive me if I'm incorrect, but the general tone and syntax of Billy's statement carry more than a hint of frustration and irritation at not making headway by other means. I suspect it was fired from the hip. It might be entirely coincidental that Midge is currently more in the public eye and I don't think the timing of Billy's comments can be said to be linked to it. It occurs to me that, as the classically trained member of the group, Billy's musical input was fundamental to the songs' success, his playing certainly establishing them in many hearts as favourites. It would seem to me quite understandable for him to want some recognition of this fact when those pieces of music are played: it's not his hobby, it's his job, it's effectively advertising his skills to the world and possibly to people who might not otherwise be aware of him. If some of my creative output were used in a way that might imply that it came from another source, then I think I'd be more than a little irked, too, especially if the issue were not addressed at my request.

However, we none of us know the full facts, which makes an opinion hard to justify (but I'm glad that htis doesn't stop us! The very meat of scandal!)

Incidentally, I think A Certain Sadness - a phrase that cropped up earlier in this thread - would be a great track title. I'm too idle to look up exactly who came up with it, so no credit on that one!

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#47845 - Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:52:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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sounds all to me like what happened between Morrissey and J. Marr.
I always say to bands: make a contract. make everything clear about money, the rights, the bandname and so on. but they don't, cause it's no fun. In the end they always heard me saying: I've told you so.
It is a neverending story and it's the same here.
I think Billy is not really going for the money. He simply wanted to be asked and maybe he would have said that it's okay that way. but now he is angry. noone asked him or talked about it with him and I think I would react in a similar way.

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#47846 - Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:28:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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You can play any song you like live, live music venues are meant to be licensed for live performances. At some venues you have to fill in a list of what songs you've played, and somehow the PRS (in the UK) work out who is due what at the year end - and they have relationships with various royalty collecting bodies in other countries. You need to be registered with them to get your royalites though.

When you record something which you plan to sell, then you have to pay mechanical royalties on CD/DVD production. For example, when my old band did a cover version we had to pay the MCPS organisation £x for the track.

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#47847 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:24:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Ah, thanks for that info, Steve - I was wondering how it ll got worked out. laugh

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#47848 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:27:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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live music venues are meant to be licensed for live performances
that's not correct. in germany that's often not the case. normally the person who is responsible for the event (doesn't have to be the owner of the club) has to send a tracklist to the GEMA and he will be charged. very often there is no list and nobody feels responsible for that.
if you want to release a track that is not your own track, you can also ask the GEMA and they will tell you if or who you have to ask for permission. and yes, there you also have to pay mechanical royalties. but that doesn't mean, that you have got the right to make a cover and sell it.
it's a bit more complicated. it's up to the artist to decide, what happens with his "art".

in this case (between Ure and Currie) there has to be some kind of contract between the musicians or between the publishers or labels. we don't know if such a contract really exists or what is written in it. so all we can do is: sit back and relax and listen to music again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

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#47849 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:13:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Well three pund fifty doesn't gan far between four band members, an egg sarnie at best. Money is the root of all evil unfortunately. Ad love ti gan forra pint wi Billy me, it'd be laughs all the way. Despite the aggro thats gone before, a reckon Billy is a bag o' laffs. As Mr Passing Stranger once pointed out, every genius has a mad side to them wink

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#47850 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:48:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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it's up to the artist to decide, what happens with his "art".
not really , when it comes to cover versions , as ev'ry crap band can cover a song by - only for instance - ultravox & play it live @ a concert or even release it on a record , if they pay the royalties / fees properly !!!
the original artist(s) sadly CAN'T say "NO" to this - as long as they've got paid duly !!! :rolleyes:

p. s. @ steve : please write to me privately , m8 !!! wink
not because of any royalties , but because of the radio show & party that we've planned for sept. / oct. , of course !!! laugh

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#47851 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:20:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Bugger, I knew I should have copyrighted 'Fade to Brown'.... and anyway, no-one would believe me... laugh

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#47852 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:29:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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i've jus' imagined a band called anthracite , doin' a bloody awful cover version of "fade to black" - industrial goth-metal style , of course !!! nervouslaugh lmao

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#47853 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:29:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Bugger, I knew I should have copyrighted 'Fade to Brown'.... and anyway, no-one would believe me... laugh
Well I still have my early 80s demo sealed in a posted envelope of a track I wrote called The Thin Fence... And who do you think wrote The Pan Who Fries Everyday and I Want To Be An Ice Cream? Not bladdy John Foxx! The scheister!

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#47854 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:36:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Flip Martian:
<strong>Well I still have my early 80s demo sealed in a posted envelope of a track I wrote called The Thin Fence... And who do you think wrote The Pan Who Fries Everyday and I Want To Be An Ice Cream? Not bladdy John Foxx! The scheister!

excited I would have got to it eventually, but didn't. I still have yet to tackle "The Pan Who Fries Every Day." laugh

Mrs. X

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#47855 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:39:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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No Tara, I haven't...it was a joke...honestly, Canadians...nothing but trouble... wink nervouslaugh

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#47856 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:39:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Don't get me started:

SOckrock

Slash And Leg It

Her

Everyone Didn't Move

But I'm really pissed off about 'Escalator To Nirvana' - I mean, it's just so obvious nutjob

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#47857 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:02:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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Originally posted by Flip Martian:
No Tara, I haven't...it was a joke...honestly, Canadians...nothing but trouble... wink nervouslaugh
Does Dennis know this?! You could sue for royalties!! (Cue Billy...) lmao lmao

Mrs. X

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#47858 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:12:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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... in my youth my friends affectionately called me The Thin Wally + I remember distinctly them chanting my monicker at the Dec 80 Vienna tour gig, but it just sounds absurd now ....

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#47859 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:11:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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not really , when it comes to cover versions , as ev'ry crap band can cover a song by - only for instance - ultravox & play it live @ a concert or even release it on a record , if they pay the royalties / fees properly !!!
the original artist(s) sadly CAN'T say "NO" to this - as long as they've got paid duly !!!
we've got different law systems in germany and in UK/USA. it's really not so simple. If the Stones only want to, they could forbid the CDU party to use "Angie" when A. Merkel is on stage talking to the people (although the party paid royalties to the GEMA).
There are also different kinds of "covers". It's a not the same if you cover the song note by note or just "borrow" a melody to put it in another context, or to rearrange it.
Midge rearranged them also for his acoustic gigs.

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#47860 - Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:13:00 Re: Copyright/Copywrong.
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I've heard of bands greatly altering a cover version and trying to claim part royalties but i believe it was decided that without the original song the new version could not exist so the original writer still holds copyrite.

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