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#2457 - Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:39:00 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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What else could the following snippet from this week's remembertheeighties.com newsletter mean ....??

DURAN DURAN will be the subject of a new book from music journalist Steve Mallins later this year. 'Notorious - The Unauthorised Biography' will be published on September 9th and features interviews with over fifty people involved in the Duran Duran story including NICK BEGGS, HAZEL O'CONNOR, STEPHEN DUFFY, MARTYN WARE and JOHN FOXX... bemused confused2 nervouslaugh

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#2458 - Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:52:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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What else could the following snippet from this week's remembertheeighties.com newsletter mean ....??

DURAN DURAN will be the subject of a new book from music journalist Steve Mallins later this year. 'Notorious - The Unauthorised Biography' will be published on September 9th and features interviews with over fifty people involved in the Duran Duran story including NICK BEGGS, HAZEL O'CONNOR, STEPHEN DUFFY, MARTYN WARE and JOHN FOXX... bemused confused2 nervouslaugh
Given the standards of the authors previous works, it probably means that the book will be written to make a fast and easy buck on the back of the recent reunion. It will also mean that the stories and in depth knowledge of the subject will be re-hashes from things already published, and that those 'involved in the Duran Duran story' will be interviews with people who have had relatively little (if any) contact with the band over their career (ok, as Stephen Duffy was singer before Simon Le Bon perhaps, but Hazel O'Connor [they toured with her as support once in 1981] and Nick Beggs - Kagagoogoo had one single written and produced by Nick Rhodes in 1983(?), and he played bass with Warren Cuccurullo [DD guitarist 1986 - 2001] for five live dates in 1997 [hardly integral players in the story I would have thought]). It also means that you'd be better waiting for the authorised book that has the bands full participation and authorisation that is planned for release in 2006/2007.

And just a question - unless I've really missed something over the past 25 years, just what little gem of insight or nugget could John add to the DD story do you think?!!!

ha

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#2459 - Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:57:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Sorry for the rant folks...

nervouslaugh

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#2460 - Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:34:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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It's like a game, isn't it? biglaugh

What, or who, links John Foxx and Duran Duran.?


Both have acknowledged Kraftwerk as an influence…

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#2461 - Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:23:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Well, in the same way that Nick Rhodes is a David Sylvian clone, John Taylor obviously modelled himself on John Foxx ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

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#2462 - Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:36:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Well, in the same way that Nick Rhodes is a David Sylvian clone, John Taylor obviously modelled himself on John Foxx ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />
He did?? I don't really see much of a resemblance. Not in the same way that Nick Rhodes modelled himself after David Sylvian. smile

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#2463 - Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:48:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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OK, I admit it wasn't completely true laugh

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#2464 - Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:48:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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#2465 - Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:40:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Well, in the same way that Nick Rhodes is a David Sylvian clone, John Taylor obviously modelled himself on John Foxx ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />
Well, I guess JT and JF do share the same forename. And the same sharp cheekbones and 'stick thin' type of body...

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#2466 - Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:34:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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And both have stage names.

John Taylors real name is Nigel. He thought that a "rock star" could not have a name like Nigel.
lmao

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#2467 - Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:55:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Hasn't he seen SPINAL TAP?

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#2468 - Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:11:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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And both have stage names.

John Taylors real name is Nigel. He thought that a "rock star" could not have a name like Nigel.
lmao
No, John Taylor's middle name is Nigel. wink I was a HUGE Durannie when I was a young girl (as a lot of young girls were), and I used to buy whatever I could get my little hands on about them - books, magazines, everything. All of them said his middle name was Nigel. laugh (He was also my favourite, along with Nick Rhodes.) smile

Still...yes, Nigel Taylor does sound just as rock 'n' roll as Dennis Leigh. :p

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#2469 - Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:55:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Sorry to correct you Mrs. X, but John Taylor's first name is actually Nigel (Nigel John Taylor - born June 20, 1960). And Nick Rhodes is no better (Nicholas James Bates [Rhodes] - born June 8, 1962).

Mind you, whatever the names, the cheekbones and the frilly cuffs will always remain the same...

God bless the 80's..

All the best

EG

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#2470 - Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:52:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Really?? But...but...but...I was sure that was his middle name!! frown Ah, well, I guess my memory of stuff I read over 20 years ago is fading. :p I did know about Nick Rhodes' real name though.

And a point about the frilly cuffs: At least our Mr. Foxx didn't fall into that trap (I don't think...)! A difference between him and John Taylor and Nick Rhodes. wink

Mrs. X

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#2471 - Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:53:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Okay, I admit I am wildly curious about this book now.

By the way, Mr. Nigel John Taylor's (aka BASS GOD's) huge influence was Mick Karn, of Japan. He even had the same hair as Mick did in Japan's "Adolescent Sex" video if anyone here has ever seen it. I took a screenshot. laugh


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#2472 - Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:21:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Is there any truth in the rumour that the working title for 'Seven & the Ragged Tiger' was 'Tin Brum' ??? nutjob nutjob nutjob

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#2473 - Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:55:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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ha ha ha nutjob laugh

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#2474 - Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:30:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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'Tin Brum'
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#2475 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:02:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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When I'm getting a little tired of David Sylvian's endless pretentiousness I like to remember that his real name is David Batt.

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#2476 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:05:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Awesome genius that Batt-y boy is, Blemish is the biggest pile of pooh I have ever heard in my life. His new album will be called 'Snow Borne Sorrow', to be followed by 'Snow Borne Supremacy'

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#2477 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:08:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Hmm, yes I've just copied blemish to my iPod. I like some of it some of the time. I still think it's better than the overwrought nonsense that was Dead Bees on a Cake. Watching Blemish live was hard work. Thank God for the excellent visuals, and the fact he followed it with The Other Side of Life...

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#2478 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:15:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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I really like Dead Bees, but thought Blemish + the RFH gig was very 'Emperor's New Clothes' ie 'let's make the most unmusical, unstructured noisy shite possible + see what people say'. And some people fell for it - me, I was embarrased. Cathartic ? yes for David, but I'm looking forward to the other side of strife smile

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#2479 - Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:16:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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PS I have a really good boot of that tour if you're interested (only listen to the second half)

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#2480 - Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:10:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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I think Mr. Batt is nothing short of a genius. He takes risks not based upon marketing, although some might define him as pretentious, you may want to reconsider him as being shy and reclusive and his music a reflection of what he is going through in his personal life. Although I was not a fan of Blemish, i understood his mood when he was in the midst of a divorce. I still consider his recent work with Ryuichi very inspiring.

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#2481 - Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:25:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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some might define him as pretentious, you may want to reconsider him as being shy and reclusive
No he's pretentious in my view. I've read a LOT of his interviews over the years.

Despite that he's my second favourite artist after David Bowie, and that's as highly as I can talk of anyone.

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#2482 - Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:04:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Well he's my favorite, and have enjoyed the journey since '80. So I guess we can agree to disagree

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#2483 - Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:07:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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once again it's all jus' a matter of the PERSPECTIVE that people have in general & as some people can never share the same perspective , they simply WON'T understand each other in the end !!! confused2

now listenin' to : john foxx - "shifting perspective" wink

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#2484 - Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:13:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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once again it's all jus' a matter of the PERSPECTIVE that people have in general & as some people can never share the same perspective , they simply WON'T understand each other in the end !!! ha

At the risk of going off-topic (easily done when so many ideas surface in response to an apparently simple stimulus!), I'm rather glad that I don't have the same perspective as others sometimes! That way, I can appreciate a piece of art or music for itself and what it makes me feel as opposed to seeing every step of its creation as a mechanical process prompted first by view x, then by view y, then by turning precisely vdegrees and getting view z. A mechanic views a car in a different way to a designer, a driver or a little old lady, but it's still a car and the four people can still co-exist often in blissful ignorance of one-another.

I used to feel I had to understand everything (so was lousy at Physics - no-one could tell me, for instance, exactly what happens when current flows, they could just account for it and present umpteen formulae to demonstrate and predict; they couldn't say "this goes there, this goes there, that reacts like that . . ." ) but now I know that there are many things that I'll never understand and don't actually need to. Trying just reduces the enjoyment. Next time you have an orgasm, just try thinking hard about it and understanding and analysing what's happening and then decide if it's more or less fun knowing! Remember, the word "analyse" includes the word "anal" . . . (and the word "yse", but that's not really a word and, anyway, spoils the pithy potency of the statement).

Does any of that make sense? Sorry, right off the radar screen of topic, but unrepentantly so! Ha!

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#2485 - Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:22:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Does any of that make sense? Sorry, right off the radar screen of topic, but unrepentantly so! Ha!
erm ... would u please define the word "sense" then , "oe II" !? :rolleyes: confused2 laugh ha

anyway ... @ least for me "understandin' is still the only way to cognition !!!" :p wink

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#2486 - Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:20:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Thomas: I would be interested in hearing a boot of that Sylvian tour!! lurve Quite liked "Blemish" myself but agree that it is a "bit" of a chin-stroker. I personally think "A Fire in the Forest" is beautiful. Have you heard "The Only Daughter" (the Blemish remixes album) - this one might be more up your alley?

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#2487 - Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:37:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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The new Sylvian album sounds like it's going to be interesting. Apparently it's a cross between Blemish and his older more 'traditional' albums. He's even dug up Sakamoto too.

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#2488 - Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:59:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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CP - em me off list.

For those interested, here is the very interesting press release about Sylvian's new album -

stunning new group project featuring david sylvian, steve jansen and burnt friedman

Nine Horses' 'Snow Borne Sorrow' is a collaboration between David Sylvian, his brother and frequent collaborator / drummer Steve Jansen
(also formerly of Japan) and electronic composer / remixer Burnt Friedman.

Lyrically and vocally, 'Snow Borne Sorrow' continues the maturing darkness of Sylvian's last solo release 'Blemish' – songs of struggle,
doubt and resolve, Bergman-like glimpses of the realities and difficulties of intimate relationship, flashes of light and humility
and, continuing his engagement with the political situation in post-0911 America, begun on his 2004 single with Ryuichi Sakamoto, World Citizen, caustic words about the excuses our leaders manage to find not to "love thy neighbor".

'Snow Borne Sorrow' was made with a cast of contributors, including Norwegian trumpeter and Supersilent member Arve Henriksen, Swedish
vocalist Stina Nordenstam, who adds marvelously elliptical responses to Sylvian's vocal on the opening "Wonderful World", and Ryuichi
Sakamoto on piano.

On the title for the album Sylvian says: "Winter provokes introspection. Even more so the long hard winters surrounded by that cushioning, muted, numbing whiteness. It can also be a time of
enormous creativity, of resolutions, resoluteness, clarity and conviction."

"'Snow Borne Sorrow's' sound is expanded, maximalist, full, rooted in traditional song structures like some of Sylvian's classic discs
including Brilliant Trees, Secrets of the Beehive and Dead Bees on a Cake." Marcus Boon

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#2489 - Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:36:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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That's got to be the shortest neck I've ever seen on a bass.

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#2490 - Sat, 08 Oct 2005 02:27:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Maybe it's a bass ukelele?

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#2491 - Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:56:00 Re: 'I Got All My Ideas From Nick Rhodes'
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Sylvian : "Winter provokes introspection. "

Amen to that.

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