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#1853 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:24:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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My guess - and it's only a guess, mind you - is that some if not all of these 150+ live recordings of Ultravox were made at Ultravox gigs laugh

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#1854 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:33:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Originally posted by feline1:
My guess - and it's only a guess, mind you - is that some if not all of these 150+ live recordings of Ultravox were made at Ultravox gigs laugh
Hmmm - Dave, you're a genius! laugh

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#1855 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:34:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Feline 1: I never said 'circusgirls' or 'deep electric blue' was 'insider'. Cerise ASKED me, because i dont talk of standard info or other no more if i think it will cause problems. I think you see what i mean :rolleyes:

Chappie: When i said that it was months ago, and it meant that the way i was being treated by 'some' on the forum, i would not bother anymore. It was also not just UV/JF/MU, it was also billy currie and numan.
Since then, it is now 500+ items, but due to some problems today i still see no reason to be as helpful as i intended.
And that is not directed at yourself or F1.

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#1856 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:07:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Newvox - I don't know whether you're talking about problems on the forum (I assume you are) but if anyone's causing you problems from here you should contact a Moderator or the site owner. That's what others do.

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#1857 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:13:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Originally posted by newvox:
Feline 1: I never said 'circusgirls' or 'deep electric blue' was 'insider'. Cerise ASKED me, because i dont talk of standard info or other no more if i think it will cause problems. I think you see what i mean :rolleyes:
No, it won't cause problems, go ahead if you want to talk about it. As I said to you yesterday, solid info that you want to talk about or give details of is absolutely fine. It's hints at 'insider gossip' or knowing something you won't talk about 'because it might cause hassle' that actually does cause us hassle, as we then get emails asking what it is - and we often have no idea what you're alluding to.

So if there's something you want to share, carry on! laugh

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#1858 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:17:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Flip: Thanks for the advice but its more to do with off forum situations, and someone being unknownly used.

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#1859 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:27:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Flip: Thanks for the advice but its more to do with off forum situations, and someone being unknownly used.
Fair enough; you might want to suggest they report it then.

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#1860 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:30:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Cerise: No i will stick to yesterday thanks. Theres nothing i know new on Ultravox anyway.

Whats happening today, its like 40 questions confused shock wink

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#1861 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:38:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Cerise: No i will stick to yesterday thanks. Theres nothing i know new on Ultravox anyway.

Whats happening today, its like 40 questions confused shock wink
As for the 500+ items, they do exist and were offered to a member of the forum, but they 'could not be accepted'. But i understand why frown

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#1862 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:09:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Originally posted by newvox:
[b]Cerise: No i will stick to yesterday thanks. Theres nothing i know new on Ultravox anyway.

Whats happening today, its like 40 questions confused shock wink
As for the 500+ items, they do exist and were offered to a member of the forum, but they 'could not be accepted'. But i understand why frown [/b]
FFS Ken, stop being so obtuse. Just spill it or stfu please.

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#1863 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:17:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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SiW: What now!

On page 2, post 2 of mine dated 16th may i agreed to forget that there was a problem when i DID STATE PROVEN FACTS. On page 2, post 3 of mine some FOUR MONTHS LATER i only stated that i dont say anything no more because of the problem last time.
I never asked for people to bring up the past, that i forgot and forgave for. Neither did i say i wanted to say anything new, or hint that i may do.

How can i be wrong in may for stating facts AND wrong today for saying nothing and not even wanting to tease people with info.

You dont need to ask me nicely to STFU, i dont want to say anything.

This site is becoming insane!

Not long before the 40 questions and 40 misunderstandings is reached. confused

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#1864 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:37:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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The album isn't being sold on the tour, but there is a 6 track e.p. - "Deep Electric Blue" (Black Spot - no catalogue number!).
Tracks are:-
1. We Are Miracles
2. Strange Individuals
3. Pure And Simple
4. Blind Anorexic
5. Return Of The Red Eye
6. Short Walk, Long Shadow

I haven't had chance to play it yet - but they are being sold on the tour for 6 each - don't know how many have been made, but i does say 'Limited Edition' - so I suspect about 500 copies as a total guess.
The CD is packaged in a DVD type case with "Art-work and Manufacture by MPDIa + LaB" - the last bit is guessed as it's unclear what the letters are?????

There's no address given on the sleeve - either web or postal.

If there's any left at the end of the tour, perhaos they should be sold on this site? - mine's not for sale as I got Louis to sign my copy. smile

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#1865 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:19:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Nice and simple. Thank you for the info smile

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#1866 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:34:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Originally posted by Dave Crane:
I haven't had chance to play it yet - but they are being sold on the tour for 6 each
Cheers Dave, would appreciate a mini-review once you've had a chance to listen to it...

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#1867 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:40:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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I haven't had chance to play it yet - but they are being sold on the tour for 6 each - don't know how many have been made, but i does say 'Limited Edition' - so I suspect about 500 copies as a total guess.
Rob says that Louis only brought 20 on tour with him, but I'm not sure if that's the limit of what he made up (I think it's a CD-R, isn't it?). I would think it's a much smaller number than 500, anyway.

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#1868 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:44:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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As for the 500+ items, they do exist and were offered to a member of the forum
Just to clarify, Newvox - are we talking bootlegs, or official recordings made by the band? I presume the former, since you surely wouldn't give out copies of material owned by Island or EMI.

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#1869 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:24:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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SiW, Sorry im talking about something i still did not want to talk about.

Yes Cerise it is all numan/uv/jf/mu/bc bootlegs, made up of live,studio outtakes,demos,pre show soundchecks,alt. mixes,dvds,covers,etc.
It is nothing official, but i never accept money (or anything) in return for copys of them.
There are fan and industry recordings, the industry ones are only given to other industry people. So 99% stays off ebay etc.

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#1870 - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:28:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Originally posted by Dave Crane:
The album isn't being sold on the tour, but there is a 6 track e.p. - "Deep Electric Blue" (Black Spot - no catalogue number!).
Tracks are:-
1. We Are Miracles
2. Strange Individuals
3. Pure And Simple
4. Blind Anorexic
5. Return Of The Red Eye
6. Short Walk, Long Shadow

I haven't had chance to play it yet - but they are being sold on the tour for 6 each - don't know how many have been made, but i does say 'Limited Edition' - so I suspect about 500 copies as a total guess.
The CD is packaged in a DVD type case with "Art-work and Manufacture by MPDIa + LaB" - the last bit is guessed as it's unclear what the letters are?????
copy. smile
I thought the last bit said "Media Lab", but I could be wrong. Also, the album was on sale at The Scala. Maybe they all sold that night.

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#1871 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:28:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Wish I'd bought the Ep as well now frown

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#1872 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:18:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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I dont see what the huge fuss is about -
pretty much every band in the world makes rough-and-ready tapes of live gigs, of rehearsals, of rough mixes, demos of song ideas, etc etc....
what finally gets released as finished product is usually about 5% of whats ever gone down on "tape" (or whatever format).

John wont be any different -- obviously this sort of stuff exists!

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#1873 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:24:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Thanks F1: It was beginning to feel like i had to prove they exist. The questions all the time never stop. Of cause they exist.

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#1874 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:26:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Thanks F1: It was beginning to feel like i had to prove they exist. The questions all the time never stop. Of cause they exist.
Well to be completely honest, that's your own fault. You can't just hint at stuff like that in a forum full of inquisitive fans and not expect questions.

My view is this. If you have it and it isn't commercially available then it's up to share.

Your problem so far is that you've effectively said 'Hey I've got all this neat stuff that you'd probably kill for and it's mine'.

No good to anyone, which is why you get the comments you do. Best thing you can do Ken is to tell people exactly what you have and offer it about or just shut up about it.

Choice is yours, but don't be surprised at the outcome if you decide to carry on as normal.

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#1875 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:38:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Without wanting to get dragged into this, I'd have to agree with Si.

When I joined this forum three years ago I didn't have much other than enthusiasm, but enough to trade items with one or two generous people. It doesn't take long for material to accumulate, and I think most of us now share material and/or information about the band with each other to keep everyone in the loop. Everyone has been more than generous and very excited when other things become available.
What goes around comes around as far as I see it.

This is, as far as I know, the definitve site for Foxx/Ultravox information and that's why dedicated fans come and ask and genuinely want to get hold of things.
In the interests of the archive as a whole, it only makes sense that there is a central 'list' of things and I for one send snippets of info to Rob and Cerise whenever I find it. Doesn't everyone??

OK, its information and not material. But all these bootlegs will have set lists for concerts that we have not otherwise have details on. That's valuable information, apart from the other obvious asset of being a rare recording of the artist.

So I have to say it does seem a little unfair whenever people announce they have material but, for whatever reason, don't say what it is. This is what leads to people getting annoyed, and even questioning the 'existence' of such things.
No-one doubts it, but its a natural reaction when you get only a glimpse into a passing window...
It doesn't have to be stated on the Forum even, but in private emails to those that manage and run the sites and the archive.
This is the way it works in here as I understand it.

If people have stuff they are not willing/able to share then its probably best not to say anything about it at all.
We should respect that too.

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#1876 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:40:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Originally posted by Young Savage:
Also, the album [b]was on sale at The Scala. Maybe they all sold that night.[/b]
The EP was on sale at Brighton. Louis had four or five signed copies that he sold for 5 each.
I was talking to John when he waved them around and so didnt amnage to get one.

I like the circusgirls material though. smile

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#1877 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:02:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Originally posted by birdsong:
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Originally posted by Young Savage:
[b] Also, the album [b]was on sale at The Scala. Maybe they all sold that night.[/b]
The EP was on sale at Brighton. Louis had four or five signed copies that he sold for 5 each.[/b]
Hi Martin...I was referring to "Closed. Gone Fishing". Either way, I'm pleased to have got hold of both the CD's Louis was selling.

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#1878 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:23:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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well,
the problem with all the rough recordings that artists make, of everything from Big Gigs at Wembley, to that time when they woke up at 3am with an idea for a riff in their heads and "had to get it down" but when they listening back the next morning it was rubbish anyways... (etc etc)
is that they are seldom "release quality" and may actually sound wick, and many artists therefore don't *want* lots of people listening to them! They were only ever intended for personal use, and artists don't want them criticised by members of the public - very often, the average listener won't understand the limitations of the recording and will just judge it like it was meant to be "finished" or "polished", and conclude that the artist was deficient in some way.

Now of course, you could argue that for the hardcore fan, they will just be thrilled to hear any obscure stuff and won't malign it - but especially in this Interweb filesharing age, there's many things that an artist would be mortified to have plastered all over the interweb.

So, it's really a case of respecting the artist's wishes, in my opinion.
Some artists may be happy to let such stuff circulate - others may be mortified.
I don't know what John's position is.

Aside from this, there are legal implications - generally, all the songs will be copyrighted under the artists' publishing deal, and can't legally be "mechanically reproduced" without a license from MCPS.
Strictly speaking, the songwriter has signed a legal contract both with their publisher and with MCPS, and so (for instance), to the pedantic letter of the law, John Foxx *can't* even say "fine, make a copy of that time I sang Endlessly in the bath onto a dictaphone", since he has transferred the administration of the mechanical rights for the song to MCPS for a period of until 70 years after his own death!

...
...
...in other words, go easy on people and don't pressure them to swap this stuff as if it was some kind of moral right! Cos it isn't.

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#1879 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:24:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Without also wanting to get dragged into this, I'll agree with Birdsong!

There have been a few previous occasions where this kind of 'insider' information has been hinted at, on albums, recordings whatever, as if to wet our fanatical appetites, but then no more information is 'allowed'.

So I'd rather hot have any 'hints' and wait for official word from Rob or Cerise, if it's something due for release.

I didn't know about Louis' albums - I didn't see any at Sheffield but I didn't look. Now I'm curious and wish I had!

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#1880 - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:33:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Good post feline 1.

It's very easy as a hardcore fan to give into the temptation of bootlegs or rare recordings of your favourite artists etc. But 9 times out of 10, you get them, they're rubbish quality, but interesting to hear, then you never play them again. That's often how it is for me - it's nice to have it but do I really need it?

ALL bootlegs, live or demos are theft. Some artists are more relaxed about it than others. But it is a good point about respecting the wishes of an artist.

A lot of recordings are the sort of things that were rough demos or whatever that the artist in question never wanted anybody else to hear other than themselves - when that's the case then it is unfair to distribute it.

If I'd done a rough design for a job that somebody else got hold of and used, I would be horrified, if it was something that was unfinished or that I wasn't happy with. It's no different with music.

Here's a story.
I used to be a regular on Simple Minds' official forum (when it existed) a few years back, and they must be one of the most bootlegged bands in history. Discs were being swapped like wildfire, in particular their unreleased 1984 demos for Sparkle In the Rain.

Coincidentally I had acquired them prior to all that, without knowing what they were - and I thought they were some of the best instrumental demo-type music I'd heard in a long time. Fantastic. Word got round though, and demand was high for those recordings to the point where Jim Kerr actually put some kind of rant in his online journal stating his unhappiness of the 'theft' of these recordings.

Brilliant through they were, the band felt that they had been stolen from them, as they remained personal, never iintended for release.

Of course I'd made the mistake of swapping them with a fan, then was inundated with swap requests. After Kerr's journal entry and never copied the disc again.

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#1881 - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:53:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Closed Gone Fishing is a very well made album. And it have absolutely NOTHING to do with the stuff of John & Louis.

I'm totally surprised about the CD . I like it.

I wished I have a chance to get the Electric Blue E.P.

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#1882 - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:34:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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After I had some listens more to Closed Gone Fishing I have to admit this is not a good album.

THIS IS A GREAT ALBUM!!!!! ha

I love it more and more the more I listen to it.

There's some points in Louis music which remembers me of Calexico and Blur.

A funny album - a pleasure to listen to!

VERY WELL MADE LOUIS!!! wink

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#1883 - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:31:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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I'm owning this now, and liking what I hear.
It's not my usual taste (but then I'm not sure what is) - but this album has made me smile so thats a result.
Simple songs, quirky arrangements and just damn good fun.
Keeps on reminding me of Eno's "Before and After Science" (esp 'Bridges 5, 6 and 7')without some of the pretentions, and like some bits of early Bowie with the edges smoothed off.
Is this anything like the material Stephen Duffy has made?
I heard bits of Dylan in there too - its really quite clever in a deceptively simple way, so I must recommend it to anyone who can find a copy.
There's a song called "Satellite" which includes the line 'Deep Electric Blue' and a song called "Shady O'Grady" which I think is the one with birdsong on it and begins in a oblique Foxxlike way.

Good stuff.
We should all step outside the boxx now and then

Remains to be seen how often I'll play it

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#1884 - Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:33:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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I'm playing it virtually every day! 'Tis a brilliant work, am going down to the New Forest bank holiday weekend and will be playing it down there to a wider audience (public broadcast laws do not apply)
Cheers

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#1885 - Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:38:00 Re: Louis Gordon - New Album
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Originally posted by Rob Harris:
[b]Deep Electric Blue
is a CD/EP that Louis has produced - the sound is more akin to the material he creates with John. It's certainly not like Closed Gone Fishing.
[/b]
The title says its all, as if Louis has switched off his synths and drum machines and has gone fishing with an acoustic guitar.

Psychedelia is present in this collection and does highlight Louis talents but the album wasnt what I wished as a fan of electronica. Im really after the Circus Girls stuff which I believe is more like Psychedelia meets electronica. Emailed Alex H, lets see if he has some copies left of Deep Electric Blue EP.

I believe Circus Girls has released 2 albums in the past. Ive added these to my wish list.

Im waiting for the Impossible now! wink
Chris C

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