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#1291 - Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:34:00 Foxx Fonts
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Does anyone know fonts are used on 'The Garden' and 'The Golden Section'? I really like them and wouldnt mind getting hold of them if at all possible.

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#1292 - Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:13:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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With a bit of patience, you'll probably find the answer here:
Identifont

Hope this helps,
Luca

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#1293 - Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:22:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Here's an even better one:

What the Font?

I use it all the time - you can upload a sample of your lettering and it will make some pretty good guesses. Failing htat, there's a forum where you can put your sample and people will try to help out.

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#1294 - Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:36:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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I've done a bit of looking into this as part of general research, and can offer the following:-

Peter Saville designed the neo-classical album cover with John Foxx for "Systems of Romance" in 1978 . Serif type on a black background.

Looking back through the work of acclaimed German fontographer Jan Tschichold, Saville came upon the formal classical lettering which he'd used in the 1940s and made an immediate connection with the type face John Foxx had used to letter his colour typography cover to Ultravox's third album.

Hence the frighteningly appropriate mood Saville acheived of the sleeve for Joy Division's "Closer" (in my opinion one of THE best album covers EVER) and his super-stylish cover for the Ultravox single, "Vienna"?

You might find this interesting:

http://www.linotype.com/7-609-7/jantschichold.html

Cheers wink

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#1295 - Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:52:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Thanks for the replies. I've put it out to the forum on 'Whats my font?' to see what others say. Theres some similarities with Jan Tschichold though.

BTW I didnt realise how expensive fonts can be!!! Oops! eek

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#1296 - Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:09:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Think I've found out the font used on 'The Garden' according to someone on the 'Whats the font?' forum. Looks like its called 'Janson SB'.

Now to find out 'The Golden Section' font.

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#1297 - Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:35:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Err...this is my area as I am a designer (I designed the past two David Bowie album covers).

Not sure all of your information is correct. Systems of Romance was done by Bloomfield Travis and not Peter Saville . The font used on this is either Sabon or Garamond. Sabon was a contemporary redrawing of Garamond by Jan Tschichold. He is also famous for working at the Bauhaus and Penguin Books in the 1950s. 'The Garden' is also Sabon or Garamond, there is no one definitive version of either font so it is very hard to tell which 'cut' (version) it might be.

Peter Saville definitely did the post Foxx Ultravox albums 'Rage in Eden', and Quartet plus some of the others. He did not do 'Vienna', this was done by Glenn Travis, the same guy who was in the partnership that did 'Systems of Romance'.

Metamatic was design by Malcom Garrett of Assorted images who also did some fantastic covers for Simple minds and the Buzzcocks, I asked him about Metamatic when I met him a while ago, and he recalled John Foxx as very quiet but very, good to work with. The main typeface is one of my favourites is called Modern Number 20, you can see it here:

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/modern-no-20/

The Golden Section uses 'Optima', shown here:

http://www.myfonts.com/search?search%5Btext%5D=optima

Optima is a font designed by Hermann Zapf that regularly goes in and out of fashion and one of John Foxx's favourites he uses it on In Mysterious Ways also.

And in response to how expensive fonts can be - I design fonts (you will find my stuff on 'myfonts' as well). there are various cheap and shareware versions around if you want them. The ones you saw are for a professional audience. It actually takes a long time to draw and space a font correctly, but because of piracy which is rife I consequently make hardly any money at all from them.

jon barnbrook

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#1298 - Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:12:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Very interesting post Jon, your details are as accurate as accurate ever will be. Do you have any links to your cover designs, as someone who's very interested in this kind of thing I would love to take a gander......... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

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#1299 - Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:18:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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that's very kind of you to say so, i think i moaned a bit too much about the price of fonts in my post so please forgive me for that.

if you would like to see the bowie stuff please kindly visit our website at

http://barnbrook.net/

and then click on the menu item at the top which says 'music'.

if i find out any more other design specifics i will let everybody know. some of the later covers (maybe shifting city?) were done by the chase who john had worked with and for in the past.

i actually went to the same art college as jon (the royal college of art,) albeit many years later. as you probably know he trained as a graphic designer and did a stint at teaching it a few years ago at leeds. i think he pretty much does the stuff himself nowadays but I can check that.

his worked influenced me a great deal when i was around 16 and just starting out. i thought the cover of 'systems of romance' with his collage representing each member of the band was one of the most beautiful and elegant i had seen. the other covers that i remember as being fantastic were the really bright collages for 'endlessly' and 'your dress', so, so beautiful with a very bold use of colour and wonderful visual compositions.

his idea of 'englishness' also really motivated me to do design work that was influenced by my own immediate surroundings, and often when i go to somewhere like america i am described as a very 'english' designer. john foxx is partly responsible for that.

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#1300 - Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:29:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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wow - thanks very much! great post jon

seems I was barking up the wrong tree. Maybe not all the information on the internet is true after all... wink wink

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#1301 - Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:19:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Thanks so much for your posts, Jon! smile You're obviously more of an expert in this area so I'll take your word for it in this matter.

I had a little look at your website as well and I've got to say that I'm really impressed with what you've done. Some of your fonts were really good also, particularly 'Priori Serif' and 'Exocet'. Excellent stuff! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

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#1302 - Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:55:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Jon - brilliant, detailed stuff there - thanks v much!

As the designer of the Heathen album cover, can I ask you something that's always bugged me? From the first time I saw it, I couldn't help but think that it was influenced by, or perhaps shared the same influences as the cover to a 1979 single by Gary Numan called Complex:-

http://www.vinylsingles.co.uk/complex.htm

Similar head pose and illuminated eye effect (although obviously the Bowie cover benefits from a better technology/budget by the looks of it!). I thought it ironic with Numan always being accused in the early days of ripping off Bowie, that Bowie then ends up with a similar image on an album cover.

Is there any light you can shed on that?

Cheers!

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#1303 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:15:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Lon-ah:

thank you for your kind words, happy that you like some of the fonts, priori was the one used on the David Bowie album cover - and Exocet has been used on many, many things including - much to my incredulousness, a Richard Clayderman album cover (nothing to do with me you understand).

Flip Martian (Phil?):

The comparison of 'Complex' and 'Heathen'. That's interesting, I had never thought of the connection between the two covers, but looking at your link I can see that you might think one was related to the other. I know you didn't mean it in such a way way but I wouldn't borrow from anybody else's work. I would say it is pure coincidence more than anything else. Although it is weird how similar the head positions are in the two images.

The Gary Numan one does indeed now look very primitive, I think it must have been done in a non digital way, maybe using photo-dyes or a photographic effect rather than a digital one. Very interesting site by the way I will check out some other stuff there.

For 'Heathen' there was a requirement as there is with many well known pop stars, to have him clearly on the cover. I also to tried to put over the idea of the 'outsider' that David Bowie wanted to portray with the name 'Heathen'. I didn't want to put his name on the cover (did anybody notice it wasn't there?) so we needed an image that showed his face very clearly. That image, of several different cover designs I sent to David seemed to be the one that worked best for him.

The photography was done by Markus Klinko who liaised with both me and David about the treatment of the portrait (well more David than me). I can't remember the exact discussions that went on about it as it was done so quickly, but I do have various other earlier versions where there is less light coming from his eyes. I think originally he was trying to get something where it looked like he had eyelids but you could still see his eyes, but it then evolved into what you see on the final cover.

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#1304 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:00:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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I wouldn't borrow from anybody else's work. I would say it is pure coincidence more than anything else. Although it is weird how similar the head positions are in the two images.
i suppose that it's an effect that i call "subliminal influences" that actually ev'ry artist has , as absolutely NOBODY is completely free of influences - even if one doesn't admits it !!! wink
funnily enough mostly those artists , who live in a kind of "ivory tower" ( no , i really DON'T think that either bowie nor jonathan do wink ) have the most & also made use of such "subliminal influences" then !!! laugh

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I didn't want to put his name on the cover (did anybody notice it wasn't there?) so we needed an image that showed his face very clearly.
this idea pretty much reminds me of the "squiggle" ( see an example @ http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/images/bandlogo.gif ) that was printed on the 1st covers of a band called FREUR ( who later became known as UNDERWORLD wink ) , who didn't wanted their band name printed on the cover , so nobody even knew , how they were called in the beginnin' !!! laugh

btw : peter saville also omitted the band name of new order on several of their covers in the 80s - like on their "power , corruption & lies" album of 1983 & the "blue monday" & "confusion" singles too , of course , which are all simply outstandin' & somehow also timelessly great designs , imho !!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

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#1305 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:20:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Jon - many thanks for taking the time to explain the thinking behind the cover in so much detail. And no, as you said, I certainly wasn't suggesting you'd copied from elsewhere! smile 1 thing comes clearly out of your website and that's all the different creative ideas in the various designs.

Cheers!
Phil

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#1306 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:24:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Fantastic thread - Jon, you truly have a wonderful site I enjoyed looking round it!! I was very interested in your Corporate Identity section - being someone who needs a corporate identity himself - although I would guess you're out of my league but thanks for sharing anyway.

Apologies for going a little off topic but there you go!! laugh

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#1307 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:47:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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I've always thought that John Foxx had the best typography in pop :-)

(forget sex, drugs and rock and roll - typography rules!!!!! :-)

One thing to bear in mind when asking "what font is that which is used on such and such" -
these days, with computers being ubiquitous, fonts get thought of as just something you chose from a menu in a program like Word - Microsoft has b*stardised loads of classic fonts and bundled them with Windows for years, for instance...
and then there are gazillions of "free fonts for download on the web"

Back before PCs and Macs were on the go, type setting would be done on some very specialist computerized equipment, or manually with metal type (wow!)
You can't necessarily just expect to be able to go to www.10millionfreefonts.com and be able to download an exact replica of some typeface someone used in 1977....

But as this thread has pointed out, you can generally get close
(especially if you buy a proper font from a big foundry like Linotype or Adobe)

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#1308 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:18:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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What a fantastic thread! I love it! I've just been designing a cover for my demonstration voice CD (not so easy for someone with the computer skills of a rather backward baboon wearing boxing gloves) and having great fun seeing how the subtlest change in a font has an effect on the whole.

When I was at college, many years ago, I used to spend time designing lettering for posters and the in-house magazine. It was all done by hand and took ages, but I loved it. It didn't do much for my knowledge of pharmacology though, which was bit of a pain come July!

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#1309 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:19:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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An interesting thread indeed.
I use fonts a lot to in my business - I'm a cartographer.
It is very interesting to see how different fonts can affect the whole way in which information is communicated. Particularly on maps, where to a certain extent people "expect" tosee particular font families being used.

Agree with all that's been said above. I especially like the fonts used on the Cathedral Oceans package and the way they are spaced.

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#1310 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:22:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Thanks for your all your comments:

In reply to Olaf:
Yes I agree, we are all subliminally influenced by what we see in the process of our daily lives. But I do want to make it clear that there is no influence on the David Bowie cover by the Gary Numan one, subliminal or otherwise. For one, I have never seen the cover until it was pointed out and and secondly it was the photographer that composed and cropped the shot not me. So as long as we are clear about that we can move on.

I would respectfully suggest that the idea of no name on the front is different from Freur - they had a shape which phonetically represented their name, they did not omit it. it was quite an original idea then (but I am sure a bit of pain for anybody using their name in a piece of text). Prince in his loopy period used a similar(ish) idea without the phonetic connection to have a symbol instead of his name, many years later.

I am definitely not the first designer to omit the artist's name on the cover I was merely drawing it to people's attention in this case because many do not notice. It's actually a standard thing has happened on a lot of albums when the artist reaches a certain level of fame . I noted when I was in a record store recently that the even album 'Smiler' by the Rod Stewart has only the title on it, not his name (sorry I always get distracted by covers when I am walking through a section where I would not normally be). So not claiming this idea as anything new.

I agree with you that the New order stuff that Peter Saville did is some of the best in the history of music. However, there is the band name is on on 'blue Monday' and there is some text on 'power corruption and lies' it is in coded alphabet that Peter Saville invented for the all the 'power corruption and lies' stuff. Here is an explanation from the FAQ at the new Order website:
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Peter Saville designed a colour code for use on several releases circa-83.
The decoder is the wheel design on the reverse of the cover to Power, Corruption and Lies. To clear things up a little, the colour wheel describes the meaning of the coloured squares on (not only) Power Corruption & Lies, (but also) Blue Monday and Confusion.

To decode the wheel, use only the outer two rings. You could divide the
outer two rings into full colour, various on green, and various on yellow. The inner segments appear to be meaningless. Start with the full colour sections, the first of which will be the green one... This is 'A'. Work your way clockwise naming each colour the next letter. There are exactly 26 segments around the disc. From 'Z' work back into the full colours, the first of which is '1'. This means that the full green segment is either 'A' or '1', and the colour for 'I' is also that for '9'.

You should be able to decode the squares now. Start with the 5 on the front
of Power Corruption & Lies, and you will find (if you have the vinyl) that the first 4 squares spell 'FACT' then next square is divided into two, with the lower half being '7' and the upper half being '5'. Therefore the code is
'FACT 75' which is the Factory number for this release. The code for the CD front cover is 'FACD 75'.

Other codes for the various items having the coloured squares are:

Inner cover PC&L: Power Corruption And Lies New Order
Blue Monday 12" Sleeve: FAC 73 Blue Monday And The Beach New Order
Confusion Outer Sleeve: FAC 93
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A similar thing is going on with the latest Coldplay album design, although I find that pretty unexceptional compared to the New order stuff.

Chappie (Paul):
Thanks also for your kind words, just to let you we are not a company that would say 'no' just because the financial side of a job is not that rewarding. It all depends on the client and the job. So just email us via our website what you are looking for and what your budget is and I will tell you honestly what I think.

And generally:
Its very refreshing to get people from so many different vocations and their take on fonts. So thank you all for that, it provides me with thoughts which will influence how I design fonts in the future. 'Birdsong' (Martin) your point about how a font can affect how information is communicated is very important. Fonts find the correct tone of voice with which to speak your message. People often ask why I continue to draw fonts and it is this searching for the correct'voice' which speaks in the spirit of the age that drives me on to create more.

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#1311 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:04:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Wow, we seem to be attracting quite an artistic/creative crowd here. I missed this thread to start with, but so glad I decided to dip into it.

Barnbrook, great site and some amazing work on there. Quick question though: where did the idea for the Reality cover design come from? I never bought it but always found it to be an incredibly striking design.

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#1312 - Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:03:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Ok, I will make this the last post about David Bowie as I am have to get on with some work.

Although I also designed the cover of Reality, this one was much more about what David bowie wanted and the best way to implement it, for him the album was much more of a return to pure rock and roll, so I think that is what he was saying that is what is 'reality'. He also (i think I cant remember that well, so I may be wrong) liked the idea of creating a whole new universe when you release an album.

We talked about various people who would be suitable to create this 'illusion' and in the end David contacted the illustrator Rex Ray who worked on various Bowie covers before. I then worked with Rex modifying his work, I did all of the typography mainly using one of my fonts called 'Drone' which is naively drawn and matched Rex's drawing style for the album.

Because of the Rock aspect of the album I wanted to do the opposite of 'Heathen', very bright colours, text that went all over the page to show the energy of the music rather than the formal style of album before..

And a final bit on David Bowie I forgot to mention what a pleasant person he was to work with. Always respectful of my opinion, very sharp as to what was appropriate to his music and what was not. And he didn't take himself to seriously, some of his emails where he made fun of himself made me laugh out loud when I read them. That's pretty incredible for someone who is universally as worshipped as he is - his sense of humour I think is the thing that has kept him level headed. He also did other things beyond the call of duty, he made the effort to invite me to his rehearsals in New York when I was there - there were three people in the 'audience' one of the others was Liv Tyler and although I sat there very quietly I was in heaven when he performed 'heroes' just for us. Another time when I went to New York as a birthday present for my mother, he and his wife Iman arranged for there to be a huge present waiting for my mother at the hotel when we got there. He also spoke to my mother on the phone to check she was doing ok etc once we were there. They don't need to be nice people in their position but they are and it was a pleasure working with him. I was a little bit of fan of him before I worked with him but not obsessively like some people, I had a few albums but since I worked with him and met him I have grown to like him and his music a lot more.

Well just thought you should know a little bit more about the person, rather than just his music as so often these people are a disappointment in real life but he wasn't.

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#1313 - Wed, 17 Aug 2005 00:09:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Jon, I think we all appreciate you taking time out from what is probably a very busy, high pressure job to post here.

Many thanks for the insight into Mr Bowie, I was always a fan too (well, more of the "before 1983" stuff anyway). Nice to know he's fairly grounded these days!

If you get chance to pop back now and again, you'll obviously be very welcome. smile

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#1314 - Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:45:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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phil:

no problem, thanks for your kind words. i am sure a lot of people in this forum have high pressure jobs here too. i love john foxx so i do visit the forum every few days or so.

olaf:

i saw your last post on this topc before it was deleted and was going to reply to it but since its gone i am going ot let it go and say good luck with your radio show this weekend.

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#1315 - Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:55:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Hi Jon - us Mods got together and decided for peace and harmony we should prune things back a bit to get the thread back on track. All were emailed to tell them but we didn't have an email addy for you so you got missed off - soz about that.

I should add that this happens very rarely...! smile

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#1316 - Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:50:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Yeah, sorry about not letting you know, Jon. I emailed everyone else involved, but I didn't have a contact email for you. (There isn't one in your profile. wink ) In retrospect, I should have sent a private message, but I don't even know if those get through! I've received some, but I'll be damned if I know if anyone's received replies, or any other PMs I may have sent (which aren't many...) nutjob

Anyway...again, my apologies, but it had to be done.

Mrs. X

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#1317 - Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:00:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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I wouldn't bet on people checking them as I've just checked mine based on your post and found one from Thomas that he sent me on 19th July, didn't even know it was there...

Oops. shocked

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#1318 - Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:03:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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OK, I don't feel quite so bad about not sending one then. smile

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#1319 - Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:11:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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When I get a PM it shows up in my profile + also my Inbox - does that not happen for everyone else ????

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#1320 - Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:25:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Yep... I just don't know if my responses go through. smile

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#1321 - Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:48:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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its no problem about not emailing me, and no hard feelings against olaf from me also. often it can get out of hand when people post on message boards - things can sound worse in written text than when people say them. so that is why i refrained from answering straight away. we do all share a common interest here after all.

anyway looks like i should update my profile with my email addess. so look forward to may other *interesting* discussions in this forum.

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#1322 - Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:42:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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Originally posted by barnbrook:
olaf

i saw your last post on this topic before it was deleted and was going to reply to it but since its gone i am going ot let it go and say good luck with your radio show this weekend.

no hard feelings against olaf from me also. often it can get out of hand when people post on message boards - things can sound worse in written text than when people say them. so that is why i refrained from answering straight away. we do all share a common interest here after all.
thanx a lot , dear jon !!! smile
i really appreciate your kind comments here , m8 !!! *indeed_very_thankful_smile*

anyway ... i like to add that it was NEVER_&_IN_NO_WAY my intention to upset u or anybody else with what i've written & asked ( u ) here !!! *sigh*
i'm really sorry that certain things got "out of hand" somehow & were obviously misinterpreted by more than jus' one person , sorry !!! shocked

btw : the case is closed now , as i've finally found a satisfyin' answer by myself & so we are back on "defcon 5" now - so to say !!! laugh

cheers , y' all !!! smile

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#1323 - Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:48:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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re Zapf Optima

Don't know when it was designed but I don't remember seeing it much, if at all, before it appeared on "The Golden Section". In the following years I began to see it everywhere, and it's probably remained one of the most popular fonts ever since. I liked the idea that John had picked up on it before it was commonplace. A

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#1324 - Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:45:00 Re: Foxx Fonts
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its a nice thought but in the world of design it was a very well known font before john picked up on it. hermann zapf is one of the most famous and respected type designers of the 20th century. it was also designed in 1958 so it would have been used a lot before that, you will find that lots of big companies like estée lauder have used it for some time.

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