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#11054 - Tue, 03 Aug 2004 16:42:00 videogame design director?
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Hi!
I looked for "Live Aid" on imdb.com (yes, I'm quite often there) and found some information about Chris. Besides Live Aid and his work for Max Headroom there's written that he was the design director for the 2003 videogame "Medal of Honor: Rising Sun".

Is that true or misinformation?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0189130/

By the way: is he a religious man? His surname is Allen, but he called himself "St. John" or "Cross".

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#11055 - Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:38:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Chris Cross is just him playing with words I think - in English, if you have multiple roads (or lines, for example) which go across each other - over or under - we would say "those roads are kris krossed". This might be a bad example, but I can't think of a better one at the moment; I hope you understand my meaning! smile Don't know the answer to the other question though! smile

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#11056 - Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:16:00 Re: videogame design director?
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And on top of that a couple of annoying kids named their rap group after him and did a not quite cover version of the old Van Halen track 'Jump'. wink

Very influential our Mr Allen...

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#11057 - Wed, 04 Aug 2004 01:09:00 Re: videogame design director?
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I was very glad to see that according to IMDB, he played himself at Live Aid in 1985. Would have been awful to see him played by someone else...

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#11058 - Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:48:00 Re: videogame design director?
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#11059 - Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:58:00 Re: videogame design director?
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In fact they tried to get an actor to play him, but they didn't find someone with such hair in the 80s.... .

But it might be interesting for You to read that Midge was played by Francis Rossi of Status Quo.... .
(just look at this pic: Francis Rossi live in Jübek 1986 )

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#11060 - Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:04:00 Re: videogame design director?
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In fact they tried to get an actor to play him, but they didn't find someone with such hair in the 80s.... .

But it might be interesting for You to read that Midge was played by Francis Rossi of Status Quo.... .
(just look at this pic: Francis Rossi live in Jübek 1986 )

UNCANNY!!!! eek
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#11061 - Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:53:00 Re: videogame design director?
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In the videoclip for "Do they know it's Christmas?" the cameraman "surprises" Rossi. He stands there staring into nothing, then he sees the camera and laughs. When I saw that the first time I thought - just for a moment - that's Midge.
But Rossi looks much older than Midge, although (according to imdb.com) Midge is just 4 years younger than him.
Well......and I don't like the music of Status Quo, except "In the Army now" which is a cover.

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#11062 - Fri, 06 Aug 2004 06:11:00 Re: videogame design director?
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In a similar vein, I have fleetingly pondered if a film were made of the 'story' of Ultravox - an autobiographical venture - what actors would be chosen/be 'best' to play each of them. Aside from the fact that all four - I believe - are quite good actors in their own right, if professional actors were chosen, who would they be? Personally, I rather think Ralph Fiennes would make a fine Midge Ure. wink

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#11063 - Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:02:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Well, I think Fiennes is too old. At the beginning Midge was in the mid-twenties.
This actor is too old now as well (and too tall), but am I the only one who thinks that John Cusack looks similar to Midge? In the 80s movies e.g. he reminds me of Midge in times of Slik.

How about Dylan McDermott for Warren? And Xander Berkeley (24, Gattacca, Airforce One) for Billy? No idea for Chris though... .

(yes, I know, every mentioned actor is too old...)

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#11064 - Sat, 07 Aug 2004 03:29:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Nah, don't worry about age, Nils. Afterall, the band members have aged over the years too; all actors mentioned would eventually 'be' the 'right age'. Shall we perhaps just allow ourselves "suspension of disbelief"? smile

Dylan McDermott as Warren is not a bad idea actually. Michael McManus ("Lexx") has always struck me as someone who might 'make' a good Warren.

Currie has always been a tough one for me - the closest I've come is American actor Vince Vaughn, or Colin Firth.

Chris is another tough one to cast. How about Gary Oldman in his "Bram Stoker's Dracula" days...the hair is close enough right lol.

What about John Foxx? Dear Phil, any ideas? wink

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#11065 - Sat, 07 Aug 2004 22:51:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Me? Nope, not a clue when it comes to actors - haven't even heard of half of those actors you and Nils mention... smile

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#11066 - Sat, 07 Aug 2004 23:37:00 Re: videogame design director?
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I only have ideas for Warren and John, but here goes...

Warren could be played by David Hasselhoff. Not the greatest actor in the world, but if you've ever seen the Knight Rider series, the resemblance is almost uncanny. :p (Well, close...) Hasselhoff did also have a singing career at one point! He was big in Germany! Older Warren could be played by "The Grinch" (of Dr. Seuss' The Grinch Who Stole Christmas). Just give him a mullet, et voilà! biglaugh Or, since he's had some limited acting experience, Warren could play himself! Why not? There's no better really!

John could be played by Julian Sands (Warlock, Boxing Helena). They don't really resemble each other, but they both have that menacing look about them. Or, another thought was David Bowie since he, like John, looks great in a suit. smile

I'll try and come up with ideas for Midge, Billy, and Chris...

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#11067 - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 01:04:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Julian Sands is actually a pretty good choice, all things considered.
But...David Hasselhoff?? I don't know about that one, Madame; have to think about it...

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#11068 - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 01:10:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Warren could be played by David Hasselhoff. Not the greatest actor in the world, but if you've ever seen the Knight Rider series, the resemblance is almost un[b]canny. :p (Well, close...) Hasselhoff did also have a singing career at one point! He was big in Germany! [/b]
Lederhosen are big in Germany, doesn't make them right though.... wink

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#11069 - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 01:29:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Hey! Don't knock Lederhosen until you try 'em... biglaugh

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#11070 - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 01:31:00 Re: videogame design director?
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OMG, it's not a good idea having piccys up as avatars as some weird image has just popped into my head... laugh nutjob

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#11071 - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 02:28:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Have you imagined the knee slapping bit yet?

biglaugh biglaugh biglaugh

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#11072 - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 02:45:00 Re: videogame design director?
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This all is beginning to take on a Monty Python-ish tone...

David Hasselhoff - "What a great twit!"

- George wink

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#11073 - Sun, 08 Aug 2004 03:10:00 Re: videogame design director?
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OK, I was being a bit silly. smile But there are some pictures I have seen where Warren does look sort of (but not completely) like David Hasselhoff. (Warren is much better looking though!) wink May not have been the best of choices, but it was the first thing I thought of. Personally, I'd rather Warren play himself...

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#11074 - Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:12:00 Re: videogame design director?
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David Hasselhoff can't hold a candle to Warren. Warren=YUM! Hasselhoff=BARF! smile

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#11075 - Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:16:00 Re: videogame design director?
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By the way: is he a religious man? His surname is Allen, but he called himself "St. John" or "Cross".
No, as far as I know, he's as UN-religious as possible.

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#11076 - Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:13:00 Re: videogame design director?
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David Hasselhoff can't hold a candle to Warren. Warren=YUM! Hasselhoff=BARF! smile
OK, OK!!! Huge mistake! I've done Warren a grave injustice! My sincerest apologies! You are absolutely right, Kitty! I had just thought at that time that there was a slight resemblance. Maybe not... Come to think of it, I have no idea what I was thinking! I haven't given this subject much thought lately as I thought I'd killed it off! But OK, how's this for Warren:

Young Warren - Keanu Reeves (who might look just as stunning in makeup as Warren himself did!)

Older and present-day Warren - Mr. Cann himself!

Please, I hope I've done better this time! I feel so ashamed for the Hasselhoff comparison! <img border="0" alt="[Shake head]" title="" src="graemlins/shakehead.gif" />

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#11077 - Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:23:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Please, I hope I've done better this time! I feel so ashamed for the Hasselhoff comparison! <img border="0" alt="[Shake head]" title="" src="graemlins/shakehead.gif" />

Mrs. X
I should hope so to. I have this image in my head now of Warren singing "Looking For Freedom" and claiming the Berlin Wall came down due to him alone...

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#11078 - Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:52:00 Re: videogame design director?
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I should hope so to. I have this image in my head now of Warren singing "Looking For Freedom" and claiming the Berlin Wall came down due to him alone...
Urgh...sorry!! frown Somehow I think I'm never going to live this down! <img border="0" alt="[Shake head]" title="" src="graemlins/shakehead.gif" /> I actually quite like the Keanu Reeves thing though. He might actually do quite well as a young Warren. Oh, and of course it would be great to see the man play himself later on! smile

I'm still working on who'd play the others. I think I got Mr. Foxx out of the way...

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#11079 - Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:49:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Having just discovered this thread, I have just picked myself up from the floor after imagining David Hasslehoff shock playing Warren Cann in the Movie Version of The Ultravox Story!!!! Mrs X, you are totally priceless!!!! excited Would David be wearing his red swimsuit in this film perchance??? Dearie me..... laugh *wipes tears of mirth from eyes* laugh ......I know he is bit old but Harrison Ford should play Warren, there is a bit in er, I think it was Return of the Jedi, where Harry is released from the carbon wall and falls on the floor, and he looks JUST like Warren...not a bad actor, Harry, either.......

Early Midge? How about Charlie Chaplin......

Can't think of anyone for either Chris or Billy or John right now....but I would like Julian Temple to direct it...

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#11080 - Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:27:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Having just discovered this thread, I have just picked myself up from the floor after imagining David Hasslehoff biglaugh Erm...I know who I wouldn't mind seeing in a red swimsuit, but it wouldn't be David Hasselhoff!!!! Perhaps we could persuade Warren to play Hasselhoff's character in a film version of Baywatch? Or perhaps he'd fancy driving K.I.T.T. in the film adaptation of Knight Rider! laugh

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>......I know he is bit old but Harrison Ford should play Warren, there is a bit in er, I think it was Return of the Jedi, where Harry is released from the carbon wall and falls on the floor, and he looks JUST like Warren...not a bad actor, Harry, either.......


Harrison Ford? Mmmm...if you mean present-day Warren, I'd really rather Warren play himself, and Harry's far too old to play young Warren! (Pardon the redundancies.)

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Early Midge? How about Charlie Chaplin......

Can't think of anyone for either Chris or Billy or John right now....but I would like Julian Temple to direct it...
Well, Charlie Chaplin is kind of...er...dead, so I don't think he'd be available to play an early Midge. wink John I had suggested be played by either Julian Sands (speaking of Julians) or David Bowie. I totally support your idea of Julien Temple to direct.

Mrs. X

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#11081 - Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:48:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Oh, by the way...if this is going to be a complete film history of Ultravox, we need people to play Stevie Shears and Robin Simon. Especially considering John Foxx will be portrayed! No ideas come to mind for them as of yet, either.

Mrs. X

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#11082 - Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:59:00 Re: videogame design director?
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err maybe JF,SS and Rs could play themselves,as cos its been so long since anyones seen them,noone would know they were playing themselves anyway lol

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#11083 - Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:07:00 Re: videogame design director?
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I don't know, I find Dylan McDermott the best for Warren by now. But Reeves is good, too.
I'm still for John Cusack playing Midge, although he needs to have a bigger guitar to make him look smaller wink .
Besides Xander Berkeley the young Larry Linville (Frank Burns in M*A*S*H) could be a good actor to play Billy???!?? But Linville is dead... .

But if we take the M*A*S*H cast to play Ultravox, what about this:
Midge Ure - Radar O'Reilly (Gary Burghoff)
Billy Currie - Frank Burns (Larry Linville)
Warren Cann - Hawkeye Pierce (Alan Alda)
Chris Cross - Maxwell Q. Klinger (Jamie Farr)
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Hey, just kidding!!!!

I don't think John Foxx can be played by anyone (perhaps Bowie, right, but he's far too old). He looks too much like .......... an alien... .
Still don't know who to play Chris, Steve or Robin... .

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#11084 - Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:23:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Dylan McDermott:


Xander Berkeley:


John Cusack:

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#11085 - Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:41:00 Re: videogame design director?
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John Cusack is waaaay to cool to play Midge, he should play Warren. Cusack is one of my favourite actors, he is just so cool in Better Off Dead and Grosse Point Blank.

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#11086 - Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:30:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Yes, he was very cool in Grosse Point Blank!!! And - as I think about it - in nearly every other movie, too!

But he should play Midge in our movie anyway. Midge Ure and John Cusack are quite similar to each other. Watch "The Sure Thing" from 1985 and compare John Cusack it to Midge Ure from old Slik performances.
I've seen a photo of John Cusack wearing a baseball-cap, where he looks similar to Midge Ure in the "Cold Cold Heart"-video!

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#11087 - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:20:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Nils, EXCELLENT job with the photos! They truly do help illustrate the reasons for your personal casting choices and I must admit they are very convincing!

Although I still personally prefer Ralph Fiennes as Midge, I can see your reasons for John Cusack. He is a great actor and I'm sure could play the part well.

Mrs. X previously mentioned Julian Sands to portray John Foxx, which I still think is a fine idea.

Sam suggested Julian Temple direct. An excellent choice; but what about Russell Mulcahey? wink He is still among the living is he not? Of course, we don't want another "Razorback" - or else CP will start getting ideas of becoming a movie star lol.

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#11088 - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:15:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Nils, EXCELLENT job with the photos! They truly do help illustrate the reasons for your personal casting choices and I must admit they are very convincing!


Indeed. I'm just trying to get over the thought of hearing John Cusack speak with a thick Scottish accent. biglaugh That would be quite amusing! He is a great actor, though, and he just might pull it off. Maybe.

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Although I still personally prefer Ralph Fiennes as Midge, I can see your reasons for John Cusack. He is a great actor and I'm sure could play the part well.


Now, this I like better! A much closer likeness to Midge, and a fine actor.

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Mrs. X previously mentioned Julian Sands to portray John Foxx, which I still think is a fine idea.


Thanks! Actually, I do think he'd be better for the role than David Bowie, whom I also suggested. What about Sting? Yes? No?

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#11089 - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:14:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Good Evening to you, Mrs. X -

While I think both Sting and David Bowie are fine actors, I suppose my concern is that if you start casting actual contemporary musicians in the roles of other contemporary musicians it could get a little...well...'confusing'. Their personas as individuals and musicians in their own right might distract from the characters/people they are portraying (in the suggested case here, John Foxx). But since this is pure fantasy, sure, why not? Can you envision Sting singing "The Wild, The Beautiful, and The Damned"? laugh

Frankly, I always thought Sting should have played Lestat in Interview With the Vampire and David Bowie should have played Armand in the film, but, well, that is a WHOLE other story and entirely off-topic LOL. My sincere apologies to "Forum Continuity Control". wink

Now we wonder...can John Cusack do a Scottish accent?

We know Mr. Fiennes can - he can do anything. wink

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#11090 - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:06:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Good Evening to you, Mrs. X -

While I think both Sting and David Bowie are fine actors, I suppose my concern is that if you start casting actual contemporary musicians in the roles of other contemporary musicians it could get a little...well...'confusing'. Their personas as individuals and musicians in their own right might distract from the characters/people they are portraying (in the suggested case here, John Foxx). But since this is pure fantasy, sure, why not? Can you envision Sting singing "The Wild, The Beautiful, and The Damned"? laugh


Good evening, Volglory:

No, no...you're right. It might get confusing having a musician play another one entirely different. Good point, and I hadn't thought of that. And yes, I know this is purely fantasy, but I have been thinking about this seriously as though it could actually happen. I mean what if there was a film made about Ultravox? Who would portray them?

Could I see Sting singing "The Wild, The Beautiful And The Damned?" Er...no, not really. smile

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Now we wonder...can John Cusack do a Scottish accent?

We know Mr. Fiennes can - he can do anything. wink
You know, come to think of it, I have never seen John Cusack speak with an accent of any kind in any of the films I've seen him in, so I have no idea whether he'd be able to pull it off. One reason maybe not to trust him with the role of Midge. I mean, yes he is a great actor, as I said before, and he might be able to do it, but if he's never done an accent in a film before, it might not be a good idea to put him in a role where he'd need to use one. At least not for this film! laugh I'm with you on Ralph Fiennes, though. He's a much better likeness, and I'm sure he could do a Scottish accent.

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#11091 - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:10:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Or, if we're going for a more contemporary portrayal of Midge, you could cast Richard Wilson - he already has the baldy napper and the Scottish accent.... laugh excited laugh

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#11092 - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:44:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Or, if we're going for a more contemporary portrayal of Midge, you could cast Richard Wilson
Who is he?
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he already has the baldy napper and the Scottish accent.... laugh excited laugh
By the way: do You also have that accent? Greenock isn't far from Glasgow.
I love hearing the scottish accent, but sadly I hardly don't understand a word.... .

Ralph Fiennes and Michael McManus might work, also. But in my opinion noone comes closer (in the look) as Cusack.

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#11093 - Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:08:00 Re: videogame design director?
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By some remarkable coincidence, Richard Wilson is from Greenock....He is a Scottish actor who is famous in Britain mostly for the character of a grumpy pensioner Victor Meldrew in the TV series 'One Foot in the Grave'. Which is a pity, because Richard has done some very fine work in the theatre and on TV as both actor and director..

I do have a Scottish accent, but then I was born in Glasgow.... smile

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#11094 - Wed, 01 Sep 2004 02:37:00 Re: videogame design director?
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'I DON'T BELIEVE IT'.... eek

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#11095 - Wed, 01 Sep 2004 02:58:00 Re: videogame design director?
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A few years back I would have cast Gene Wilder in an Ultravox movie as Chris Cross follow this link to see why.

http://www.triviatribute.com/genewilder.html

Although I guess Gene Wilder would look a lot older now (come to think of it so would Chris!)
Kind regards all! wink

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#11096 - Wed, 01 Sep 2004 03:54:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Looking at the top photo of the great Mr. Wilder in the link you provided, yes, PS, I definitely see what you are saying. And Mr. Wilder can portray an "amiable sense of humour", which is what I have always considered Mr. Allen to have. smile Just slick back Gene's wild hair (or have him grow it long for the Lament era movie flashbacks lol).

Sadly though, yes, too old at this point. Even more sadly, quite ill. But the photo you linked is a very good representation.

Yes, Mrs. X, the concept of such a film can become seriously preoccupying, though pure fancy. But an entertaining daydream. wink

Mike L - Would you perhaps also consider acting among your many talents? You have the Scottish accent, and in your photo you certainly do carry a resemblance to Mr. Ure. wink

Just a thought...

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#11097 - Wed, 01 Sep 2004 05:08:00 Re: videogame design director?
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[b]Yes, Mrs. X, the concept of such a film can become seriously preoccupying, though pure fancy. But an entertaining daydream. wink
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Oh, definitely! I know I've been having a lot of fun trying to piece a suitable cast together! laugh

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[b]Mike L - Would you perhaps also consider acting among your many talents? You have the Scottish accent, and in your photo you certainly do carry a resemblance to Mr. Ure. wink

Just a thought...[/b]
I was wondering the same thing myself! Mike L, bearing a striking resemblance to Midge, and having the accent, I think you'd be perfect for the role. What do you say? wink

Mrs. X

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#11098 - Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:41:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Go for it Mike L!

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#11099 - Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:35:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Unfortunately without the makeup I look more like Richard Wilson... smile

Wait for the photos from the next rehearsal before you decide whether any of Monument look like their counterparts. wink

Midge and I have more in common than you think - I also dance badly and forget the lyrics.... laugh

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#11100 - Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:03:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Originally posted by Volglory:
Personally, I rather think Ralph Fiennes would make a fine Midge Ure. wink
For me it's Jeremy Irons in "Moonlighting" by Jerry Skolimovsky in the early 80's. The ressemblance was quite stunning! There's only one big difference : the accent..... wink
Billy Currie : Tim Robbins

As for Warren Cann & Cris Cross, I can't think of no particular actor that bear a ressemblance to them...
Laurence

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#11101 - Fri, 03 Sep 2004 04:41:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Just a test:
Midge Ure or John Cusack:


wink

And the right answer is......................................................................?

Never saw a similarity between Jeremy Irons and Midge Ure.... .

Mike_L, unless we haven't seen more pics of You You'll probably win this - You have the following advantages:
- accent
- musician
- You already know the songs
- You're quite young (I think)
- You may be cheaper than Fiennes, Cusack or Irons wink
excited

The young Gene Wilder would make a good Chris Cross, I think.

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#11102 - Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:46:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Nils,
in reply....

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Mike_L, unless we haven't seen more pics of You You'll probably win this - You have the following advantages:
- accent

Aye

- musician

A matter of opinion smile

- You already know the songs

See above wink

- You're quite young (I think)

I like your thinking.... smile

- You may be cheaper than Fiennes, Cusack or Irons

Definitely....
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#11103 - Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:51:00 Re: videogame design director?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nils:
Just a test:
Midge Ure or John Cusack:


wink

And the right answer is......................................................................?
John Cusack. excited

Mrs. X

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