Is that the one on youtube?

Yeah - I have seen parts of it on YouTube.

I think i have that, it was a very good show.

I've got quite a bunch from the FoxxVox and UreVox eras, and the official CurrieVox 1994 era. I do, however, wonder if there are any unoffcial recordings from the 1993 tour and the 1994 shows (besides the official piece).

there is a video of the 1993 shows

Part 1 at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsErbfgJMIM

Here´s my bootlegs (vox,vic,ure,hel......)
ULTRAVOX:
The Collection (Special Edition) 2CD (Extended Remixes)
Live 33.3 (Slow Motion) 7" (Good Shape bootleg)
Lonely Creatures LP Oslo, Norway, Lindbergh Auditorium?
RockPop 1976 CD German TV 1976
German TV 76 CD + O.G.W.T. 1978
Live! 1977 Cas (Ice Cream Music Rotterdam C45)
O.G.W.T. CD 11.5.1977
Reading Festival CD 27.8.1977
The Foxxy Adolescents CD Reading Fest. 27th August 1977
Previous Motion (The Frozen Ones) LP (Red vinyl) Live at Radiohuset, Stockholm 9.1977
Stockholm 77 LP (Red vinyl) 19.09.1977
Systems LP 19.09.1977
Radiohuset, Stockholm (Tonkraft Radio live) CD 19.09.1977
Ton Kraft (Stockholm Radiohuset live) 2CD (Radiohuset - & radio live) 19.9.1977
The Peel Sessions CD (5 tracks) 28.11.1977
Reading Festival 1978 CD
Kant Kino Berlin CD 6.3.1978
Hamburg CD 7.3.1978
London Marquee CD 26.10.1978
Kant Kino Berlin CD 8.11.1978
Hamburg 21/11/78 CD + Peel Sessions 1977
Marquee London CD 26.12.1978
Marguee 78 CD 1978
Lyceum Ballroom CD 10.12.1978
Boston CD 21.1.1979
Philadelphia Hot Club CD 23.2.1979
Atlantic Club, Washington DC CD 25.2.1979
Boston, Paradise Theatre FM CD 2.3.1979
Paradise Theatre, Boston (Radio Show) CD 3.3.1979
Boston CD 3.3.1979
Buffalo 1979 – First Show CD 4.3.1979 (6 trx)
Buffalo Stage One CD 4.3.1979
Buffalo 1979 CD 04. March 1979
Bookies Detroit + KROQ Interview 16.3.1979 CD 8.3.1979
Old Waldorf, San Francisco CD 14.3.1979
Los Angeles, Whiskey-A-Go-Go CD 15.3.1979
Bookies Detroit CD 3.8.1979
Oregon Euphoria (USA Tour) CD 11.1979 MIGDE URE >
Oregon 1979 CD Nov. 1979
Palms Milwaukee (USA Tour) CD 29.11.1979
Milwaukee 1979 CD 29th Nov. 1979
Boston CD 26.12.1979
Whiskey-A-Go-Go, Hollywood CD 30.12.1979
Live In London CD Paris Theatre London 1980 / Chrystal Palace Stadium 13.6.1981
Mayflower Manchester 2CD 13.8.1980
London Lyceum Ballroom CD 17.8.1980
Mayflower Club CD 27.8.1980
San Diego CD 24.9.1980
Ole Man Rivers, New Orleans CD 4.10.1980
Mabels Champaign Illinois CD 4.11.1980
Lancaster University CD 7.12.1980
Hammersmith Odeon 1980 13/12/80 CD 13.12.1980
London Hammersmith Odeon CD 13.12.1980
Paris (Radio One Special) CD 14.1.1981
BBC in Concert CD 14.1.1981
Chrystal Palace London CD 13.6.1981
Crystal Palace 1981 CD 13. June 1981
Amsterdam – Radio One Special CD 16.6.1981
Colston Hall Bristol CD 5.10.1981
Cornwall Colloseum 2CD 13.10.1981
London Hammersmith Odeon CD 15.10.1981
Manchester Apollo CD 29.10.1981
Live In Concert (Rimini) LP 2.11.1981
Live In Rimini 1981 (digitally remastered ed.) CD 2.11.1981
Cornwall Colloseum St. Austell 1981, 13/11/81 CD 13.11.1981
Gothenburg Concert House CD 15.11.1981
Berlin (Rage In Eden Tour) CD 23.11.1981
Hamburg CD 26.11.1981
Palalido Milano CD 6.12.1981
Plymouth CD 13.12.1981
Lyon Radio One Special CD 12.1981
Terminals (live) LP 1982
BBC Rockout CD Interview 1982
Japanese Radio Interview CD 17.2.1982
Osaka CD 22.2.1982
Tokyo Kosei Nenkin Hall CD 24.2.1982
Ipswich Gaumont England 1982 2CD Nov. 1982
Newcastle City Hall CD 15.11.1982
Ipswich Gaumont 2CD 21.11.1982
Leicester De Montfort Hall CD 23.11.1982
Liverpool Empire 2CD 28.11.1982
Hammersmith Odeon, London 2CD 2.12.1982
Hammersmith Odeon, London 2CD 4.12.1982
London (CBS Rock´n´Roll Tonight) CD 12.1982
London, Hammersmith Odeon, King Biscuit CD 12.1982
Nottingham CD 13.12.1982
RockPop 83 & 84 CD German TV
Clermont-Ferrand, Maison des Sports 2CD 20.1.1983
Lyon 2CD 22.1.1983
Live In Lyon, France 2CD 22. January 1983
Germany 83 CD Berlin 31.1.-83/Essen 30.1.-83/Dortmund 29.1.-83
Berlin 2CD 31.1.1983
Stockholm, Isstadion CD 4.2.1983
Fmak CD Interview 6.2.1983 (Billy Currie)
BBC Rockout/Fman/Radio Stockholm/Lament CD Interviews
Orpheum Theatre, Boston, Mass, U.S.A. CD 25.3.1983
Rest Of The Wall (Dormund Germany) CD 15.4.1983
Fukuoka Yuban Chokin Hall CD 3.5.1983
Lament Promo Interview CD 1984
Dortmund, Westwahlenhalle (King Biscuit) CD 15.4.1984
Glasgow Apollo 2CD 16.5.1984
Newcastle City Hall 2CD (18 or 19).5.1984
Manchester Apollo 2CD 22.5.1984
Brighton Centre 2CD 27.5.1984
Southampton Gaumont 2CD 30.5.1984
Birmingham Odeon 2CD 31.5.1984
One Small Day In London (Set Movements) CD 7.6.1984
Heart Of Europeans 7.6.1984 + Live Aid 1985 CD 7.6.1984 / 13.7.1985
London Hammersmith Odeon CD 7.6.1984
London Hammersmith Odeon CD 8.6.1984
Genoa Italy CD 7.9.1984
Teatro Tenda, Brescia 2CD 9.9.1984
Teatro Di Tendo, Milan 2CD 10.9.1984
Bologne, Italy 2CD 11.9.1984
Göteborg Lisebergshallen CD 22.9.1984
Stockholm 2CD 23.9.1984
Birmingham Odeon CD 31.10.1984
Radio Stockholm CD Interview 1985
Live Aid Concert CD 13.7.1985
Glasgow Barrowlands CD 1.11.1986
Edinburgh Playhouse 2CD 2.11.1986
Whitley Bay Ice Rink CD 4.11.1986
Wembley Arena, London CD 5.11.1986
Wembley 11/5/86 CD 5.11.1986
Wembley Arena, London CD 6.11.1986
Birmingham NEC CD 7.11.1986
Modena, Italy CD 17.11.1986
Tendastrisce, Rome, Italy 2CD 18.11.1986
Florence, Italy CD 23.11.1986
Return To Vienna (Messepalats, Vienna) CD 29.11.1986
Stockholm Konserthuset CD 16.12.1986
Rennes Maison De La Culture 2CD 18.1.1987
Birmingham Town Hall CD 21.5.1993 Tony Fenelle
The Forum CD 27.5.1993
Worchester Northwick 2CD 7.7.1993 Sam Blue
Ultravox/Billy Currie, Italy 2001 CD
Edinburgh Playhouse 2CD 10.04.2009 M.U./W.C./C.C./B.C.
Clyde Auditorium Glasgow 2CD 11.04.2009
Manchester 2CD 14.04.2009
Sheffield City Hall 2CD 15.04.2009
Played Pretty Well 09, Birmingham 2CD 17.04.2009
Bristol Colston Hall 2CD 18.4.2009
Nottingham 2CD 21.04.2009
Nottingham Royal Concert Hall 2CD 22.04.2009
Brighton, The Dome 2CD 23.04.2009
Hammersmith Apollo (Return To Eden Tour) 2CD 24.04.2009
Bournemouth International Centre 2CD 26.04.2009
Birmingham, Symphony Hall 2CD 6.4.2010
Manchester Apollo 2CD 8.4.2010
Bristol 2CD 12.4.2010
Vox Club, Nonantola, Italy 2CD 14.4.2010
Live at Capitol, Offenbach, Germany 2CD 18.4.2010
Cologne 2CD 19.4.2010
Berlin Admiralspalast - Rage In Eden Tour 2 2CD 24.04.2010
Paradiso Amsterdam 2CD 26.4.2010
Copenhagen 2CD 27.4.2010
Tavastia Club, Helsinki 2CD 17.8.2010
Club Caribia, Turku 3CD 18.8.2010 + Warren Cann interview
02 Academy, Sheffield 2CD 25.8.2010

MIDGE URE (BOOTLEG)
Dancemix Collection MP3
Crawley CD 31.10.1985
Dominion Theatre CD 6.11.1985
Hammersmith Odeon CD 22.11.1985
Wembley Arena CD 12.1985
Wembley Arena CD 23.12.1985
Flying `B´ Brothers (UK Tour 1988) CD Birmingham Burberries 20.11.1988
BBC Concert, Manchester Apollo CD 12.11.1991
Pordenone Rototom, Italy CD 17.2.1998
Hamburg Fabrik CD 28.5.1998
Move Me Tour 2000, Rome Palladium CD 24.11.2000
Night Of The Proms MP3 2008
Absolutely Radio MP3 13.11.2008
Harlow Playhouse (acoustic set) MP3 19.3.2009
Ultravoxed (Leverkusen 4.11.2006) CD
Sky Arts Songbook DVD
TV Collection DVD

VISAGE (BOOTLEG)
Dancemix Collection MP3
BBC Session CD 15.5.1983
Manchester Arena CD 22.12.2002
Remix Collection 2CD
B Sides & Rare Tracks CD
Rarities 2CD
Music Video Collection VHS/DVD 19 videos
TV Collection DVD

JOHN FOXX (BOOTLEGS)
Radio Sessions MP3
Demos 1979-80 Cas/CD
The Metamatic Sessions CD (Demos)
The BBC Sessions CD
Endlessly Rarities CD
Speak Your Features 2CD (Ultravox!)
La Edad De Oro / Estoc De Pop 83 CD Spain TV 1983
The Hacienda Manchester 2CD 13.10.1983
Royal Court Liverpool CD 14.10.1983
Birmingham The Tin Can Club 2CD 15.10.1983
Dominion CD 23.10.1983
This Is My Golden Selection CD Osaka 5.11.1983
Barcelona 2CD 25.11.1983
Roma Palladium CD 7.12.1983
Golden Section: Roma CD 7.12.1983
Lyceum CD London 11.12.1983
Radio Sessions CD (Saturday Live: Dec.83&Sept.85/Janice Long: July85)
Subterranean Omnidelic Excotour CD Studio Live 1997
Middlesborough Arena 2CD 16.6.1997
Southampton The Brook CD 10.10.1997
Cathedral Oceans Live CD Shrewsbury 17.3.1988
Manchester University MP3 5.8.1997
Middlesboriugh Arena CD 21.4.1998
Shaftesbury CD 1.10.1998
The Mean Fiddler CD London 15.9.2001
Drive Live CD York Fibbers 15.9.2003
Drive London (Live at Scala) 2CD 17.9.2003
The Barrowlands, Glasgow CD 7.12.2003
Croydon CD 12.12.2003
Janice Long Session - Show CD 18. July 2006
Limelight Club, Crewe CD 19. July 2006
Liverpool Korova CD 21. July 2006
York Fibbers CD 23. July 2006
Sheffield Leadmill CD 24. July 2006
Manchester University CD 5.8.2007
Birmingham Barfly CD 6.8.2007
When You Walk Through Me CD
Music Videos VHS/VCD
Click Click Drone-promos DVD 60 min

1. He´s A Liquid
2. Underpass
3. No-one Driving
4. Miles Away
5. Dancing Like A Gun
6. Endlessly
7. Stars On Fire
8. I Lose All Sense Of Time
9. Sunset Rising
10. Golden Green
11. Systems Of Romance 1983 live
12. 20th Century (Exotour)
13. Chifting City (Exotour)

La Edad De Oro VHS/DVD Spain 83
Middlesborough Arena VHS/DVD 16.9.1997
Exotour VHS/DVD 15.10.1997 (+ soundcheck)

HELDEN (BOOTLEGS)
Spies CD (copy) Unreleased
Radio One, Saturday Live Cas/CD (ltd. 001/003) 1983 signed Warren Cann

HUMANIA (BOOTLEG)
Humania Demos CD (Billy Currie, Ultravox)

GARY NUMAN (BOOTLEGS) (Billy Currie)
Manchester Apollo Theatre 2CD 26.9.1979
Hammersmith Odeon CD 28.9.1979
The Pleasure Principle Demos CD
Newman Numan: The Best Of Gary Numan DVD (Billy Currie) (24 promo videos)
Reinvention (Documentary) DVD (Billy Currie, OMD etc.)
Unique DVD (Billy Currie)
Worldwide Archives Volume I DVD (Billy Currie)

RICH KIDS (BOOTLEGS) (Midge Ure)
Demos CD
Twelve Inches High LP (ltd 194/315)
- Birmingham 12.07.1978 2 trx
- London 21.12.1977 4 trx
- Birmingham 20.5.1978 2trx
- Reading 18.10.1978 4trx
Peel Sessions CD (V/A Hard Up Heroes IX), 7 trx
Gibus, Paris CD December 1977
Peel Sessions CD 31.8.1977/20.3.1978
Maida Vale, Studio 4, Peel Sessions -77/-78 CD 8 trx
Tiffany´s Halesowen CD 30.1.1978
Lyceum CD 26.4.1978
Lyceum CD 7.5.1978
Marching Men In Club CD Birmingham Barbarella´s Night Club 22.7.1978
Rock Against Knowledge CD Reading University 18.10.1978
Reading Berkshire (BBC Broadcast) CD Reading University 27.10.1978
Double Rich TV / Live CD 1977 - 1978
Rock Goes To College DVD Reading University 18.10.1978
Ghosts Of The Sex Pistols DVD Live UK 1977 / 1978 + Promo vid.)
Telly 1977 - 78 DVD
- Impact
- TOTP
- Revolver 78
- Rock Goes To College

SLIK (BOOTLEGS)
Video collection DVD (TOTP, Disco 1976, Arrows TV Show, Supersonic)
Forever And Ever (14 Rocking Performances) DVD (Never Too Young To Rock, TOTP, Platten Kuche)

THIN LIZZY (BOOTLEG)
Video Collection 15 trx 73 - 84 DVD 53 min
Nashville, Municipal Auditorium CD 25.7.1979 (Midge Ure)
Osaka, Festival Hall CD 24.9.1979 (Midge Ure)
Tokyo, Nakano Sun Plaza CD 25.9.1979 (Midge Ure)
Are You Ready For First Legend CD Korakuen-hall, Tokyo, Japan 29.9.1979 (M. Ure)
Man And His Music Vol. VII (Snowed in Cork) MP3 Cork, Ireland, 13.4.1980 (Midge Ure) + Hammersmith 29.5.80
Man And His Music Vol. III CD (incl. live on Cork 13.4.1980) (Midge Ure)
The Best Of Thin Lizzy and Phil Lynott DVD (incl. Yellow Pearl promo)
The Graham Hart Collection Vol. 1 2DVD (incl. Auto Da Fe: Man Of Mine)
The Graham Hart Collection Vol. 2 2DVD
Visual Metalogy 1973 - 1986 3DVD (Midge Ure)
Thin Lizzy TV-Shows 1973-1981 DVD (Midge Ure)

Interesting!

Birmingham Town Hall CD 21.5.1993 Tony Fenelle
The Forum CD 27.5.1993
Worchester Northwick 2CD 7.7.1993 Sam Blue

What's on these?

Ultravox/Billy Currie, Italy 2001 CD
Rennes Maison De La Culture 2CD 18.1.1987

Hello Jon, Its a long time back but the guy called newvox had so much ultravox midge ure and john foxx bootlegs and latest information that people used to recent it, and the administrators used to fear he would give updated information to EV and Metamatic forums. So basically he was removed from here for having to defend himself so much. The rules were never used to help him or his girlfriend here, as the administrators could not stand someone here knowning the same as them, even though he never gave info away and always kept to the rules.

Anyway he used to sent a few dvds of many many shows to some nicer people here before he left.

He also has some john foxx unreleased material and some that was to appear on the never ending ultravox rarities.

I no longer have contact with him im sorry to say, but he stopped giving bootys anyway.

Just remembered, when i first joined here, he sent some dvds of audio and videos to me, so i will look through some and see if its any interest to others here. Although judging by the rules more strict now it looks like a no go area! In fact as i was told he never even got to help the forum as much as he intended due to problems here so often. Its sad really as the donations 'box' here would never have been needed here or at Metamatic again lol. Your not the only one to miss him Jon even though you never spoke to him. Many here did miss him and his girlfriend, but people never speak out in fear of being band too by the 'rules' that protect the innocent.

You know the ultravox compilation of rarities has been so long in coming that i cant even remember the title of it or why its not coming out apparently now. Funny old world innit.


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PS I expect to be banned too now just for my opinion as it dont fit with whats wanted. But its just that im so sad to see how dull this forum has become. In 04 to 08 this was a great place but EVERYONE is to blame to an extent. You cant keep banning the good and re instating the known trouble makers, in the end the crap will rise to the top and this is the result we see today. A person that has the means to promote any artist to an audience of 56 million to 68 million people at any given moment no longer here, and Cerise selling items on ebay when this forum would never have needed any donations again. I am sorry for complaining, but maybe this place deserved better than it became........im just remembering......

As far as I'm concerned, bootlegs never make me stop buying anything else, official, from Ultravox, and if the bootlegs were officially sold... good.

The metal band Dream Theater bootleg everything they've got and sell it from a webshop... that's how we want to see it.

I was at the Worcester Northwick gig and remember being highly confused as to who Sam Blue was! With no internet in those days I was luck enough to see a poster up for the gig at the venue a couple of days beforehand.

If I recall, one of the songs went badly wrong and Billy pulled the plug about a minute in. I also saw the same happen to Prefab Sprout at the Bridgewater Hall. Even the best can make the odd mistake. Makes me feel less embarrased when cranking out tunes in my local pub!

would love to get a copy of that one,my 1st vox gig!

Btw.. does anyone have some sort of sound from the Humania gig?

I rememer NewVox very well. Yes he did have a seemingly vast amount of bootleg stuff and yes he did quite often appear to have insider knowledge. I stress the word "appear".

However he was banned for continually causing arguments on the forum not because he "knew more than the administrators". We all have disagreements from time to time, and in many ways i think its healthy. Otherwise whats the point of a forum? But NewVox took it to a level that was beyond what was acceptable in many peoples eyes.

He was certainly a character and was certainly a colourful addition to the forum. But I think he just crossed the line too many times.

But you are right in that he was kind enough to send out to members much recorded music, bootleg or otherwise. No-one has ever really filled that void here.

I don't understand why Ultravox don't just record their shows and then sell it either on download or memory stick on the day. Many many bands do this now. It would make things much easier. Only way to beat the bootleggers is to do it better yourself.

I heard he was back on here, under a different name, then again??? Yes, he certainly courted controversy did Ken, although a touch misunderstood at times. It was his sidekick across the pond that made me chuckle - very odd!

As for bootleg recordings - looking forward to the next batch. I'm sure some naughty boy will be wired up at the forthcoming gigs, not that I'm complaining. Owld Pig will be first in the queue for a copy, he he.

The cause of arguments is a point of view that no one can say for sure how it happened, but to my view it was recentment from members that he knew inside info and had so much stuff. And that the administrators used all those arguments you spoke of, as a way to remove him and the 'possible' leak of info that always worried them. Thanks though for the kind words about him, dispite so many problems here he was one of the first to be in more direct contact with me and made me feel at home here.

I have started looking through some dvd content but i know i do not have the one he helped Cerise and Rob keep off the forum at one time. It was the time both administrators were away for a week or more, so he checked a new members offer of a dvd to the forum to make sure it did not contain tracks for Anthology, as newvox was the only person here to know of its content and possible leak. Again when Cerise returned to see aguments from others in the thread, newvox got most of the blame and no thanks for stopping a potential leak. In fact it was the new member that was thanked for offering it??

Anyway when i find stuff that is hopefully acceptable i will post info of it, but im unsure if even the once acceptable stuff can be offered within the forum these days.

Hello there. I know newvox stopped passing even the 'allowed' bootlegs at the time Cerise found info to say that by rights all live recordings was a copyright issue due to the rights of the artist and even the venue its illegally recorded in. BUt i do know thanks to him where the most likely place new ultravox bootys will appear. Funny enough this forum is about the fourth or fifth place it comes to, so fingers crossed.

Although I find this Bootleg thread very interesting, partly due to my own involvement in exchanging recording myself down the years, I don't see what good can come from some of the comments you have made in this thread. Even if you can validate some of your accusations, it comes across loud and clear that you have an agenda with the administrators. Freedom of speech is fine, but digging up the dinosaur years aint gonna help your cause, and remember, there's always two sides of the coin, so to speak. Not wanting to put words into your mouth, but it maybe best to run with this thread in a positive and productive way, rather than turn it into something else. Who knows, we may even uncover some more 'Buried Treasure' - I'm sure there's an audience recording of 'Love's Great Adventure' from the classic ITV show RAZZMATAZZ, lurking somewhere. Maybe AWS can clean it up and convert it to FLAC (Lossless) for the masses on EV. The grabbing hands grab all they can...

Spot on! I remember the comments made about my DTS mixes from years ago - some of them were quite nasty.



Ready & waiting!



And this is the bit that resonates. I find it quite funny/disheartening (delete as appropriate depending on mood) how two-faced some people/threads can be: the number of requests I get for copyright-ed material from members who can be somewhat po-faced about these issues on forum threads is quite large. This included someone who made very negative comments about the DTS mixes who then left a comment on a torrent site thanking me for them.

I won't make any further comment on that . . .

AWS

Its not accusations, Cerise herself said she was on holiday and publicly thanked the new person, it was just lucky he did not come accross any important tracks. Cerise and other members already spoke of so many people leaving here sadly before the reunion and new album. Its no agenda, just sadness for all, as i already said, but i take your point and will try to shut up like the ones that didnt leave altogether.

AWS, No complaints from me mate, you have worked wonders with some of those original bootlegs.

Ta!

I'm glad you said that. I think that was the main reason why some members of this community didn't quite get Newvox, and the bickering started. He never quite backed up his words by coming up with the goods. As a result he became an 'All wind and p*ss' character, which isn't such a bad thing - I'm the same after a Vindaloo and a few Cobra's!



No need to keep quiet on my account - Feel free to voice your opinion. 2012 is shaping up to be a great one for Ultravox fans. Brand new album, forthcoming tour, and dare I say it (whispers) 'new bootleg recordings'. I'd rather focus on the positives, to be honest, and if members leave here for one reason or another, then hey-ho, EV goes on regardless.

Onwards and upwards!

I love the threads like these. And seeing some of the people's lists of bootlegs is fascinating.

But, I was wondering if we could maybe do a more comprehensive list of stuff that is actually listenable to.

The 1977 Stockholm recordings are awesome for example. The Live in London show that many bought by mistake (including me) thinking it was the Vienna album from 1981. There's a pretty good, although sadly not complete recording of the Rage In Eden tour from Rimini which isn't at all bad. Also the 1982/3 Lyon show. Plus maybe the 1984 Hammersmith show and then of course theres the 1986 Clyde Auditorium FM recording.

Many Ultravox bootlegs sound like they were recorded in the toilet next door to the arena. I have never personally had any interest in any of them. To my mind, unless it sounds half decent... forget it.

Any thoughts?

I don't have very many of them but it would be good if there was a 'definitive' edition of a recording from each tour. Glasgow 2009 (Tufty) & Birmingham 2010 (ahem, err . . . mine) are the best recordings from those two tours IMHO.

So what about the tours from the 1900s?

Also, if we can take the opportunity to clean up someone's old cassette recording (whether from the hall or the toilet) using today's technology then why not do it?

AWS

PS I'm going to the Nottingham gig this year, hint hint.

Could not agree more brother!

All the tours in good qulity would be great!

Hmmm. Opening a few old sores here because this has been raised before. Never really had a definitive answer. 1981 - BBC live in concert - where's the rest of the show? Also that year... St Albans - you telling me they only recorded 2 songs and then turned the tape off?

The Rage tour... Well obviously there is the Hammersmith show from which the Definitive album release stuff came from. We already have around half the show... The rest would be nice!

1982 there is the audio from Monument, (the film has long since been "lost") but also the Dortmund recording.

1984 the Hammersmith show was supposed to have been recorded, and White China was released, but the band were unhappy about it's quality. Not the best night maybe.

1986 Clyde FM recording.

I'm not saying go to the expense of mixing the music and pressing a disc for retail. Just release it as an official bootleg download here on the website.

Is that too much to ask? Probably!

I bet they could make good money from the website if they wanted to.

A freind of mine manages a well known act and they make a mint from their website.

So which is it conny, do i shut up or feel free to voice my opinion. Is this the famous part where i get blamed for continuing a debate even though i agreed to stop as you suggested two posts back.

Yes it does! Thats my whole point really. Its not about newvox or maryann, or sassy etc. Ita about this place continuing down a empty road because all the nice people were banned or left, leaving the trouble makers. Cerise over the years did this to her own forum and even the trouble makers fought each other when there was no one left. Moved it all to facedown book i believe. So even the trouble makers used Cerise in the end and all her work for many years was for what? An empty forum at the time the band deserved it most. !!!!!

I agree with steven here, and even you in some of your earlier more balanced posts, but as the time goes on your becoming more and more on the ropes with contradition and spite at another. It also has less truth to your comments now conny. Best take your advice too and move on. The last thing i will say is, 150 members logged in regular for years around 1.00pm each afternoon till 2008, now its only 20% of that even when the tour was happening. And now even less that the album is here, for pete's sake!!!!!!