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#1066 - Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:47:00 Songs that recycle the Underpass riff
Alex S Offline
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I find it quite interesting how John has used variations of the Underpass riff in a few other songs, almost like a trademark.

Other than the obvious Overpass, I also hear it in:

The Garden
Swimmer 1
Invisible Women

Any others?

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#1067 - Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:45:00 Re: Songs that recycle the Underpass riff
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True indeed

Not just the underpass "riff" either.
When I sat recently and played everything over and over in a couple of weeks to decipher all the lyrics, I made a few notes somewhere of other bits and pieces of melody that John re-makes/re-models and fashions new songs out of.
Crash and Burn has quite a few samples of his own stuff in it, as does The Garden.

I'll have to dig my notes out

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#1068 - Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:27:00 Re: Songs that recycle the Underpass riff
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I suppose this is part of what I'd call a "style"... recognizable patterns that spring out here and there, the "Underpass"-style riff (a sequence of notes of equal length, the first one kept the same and the others in a simple ascending/descending scale) being one of John's favourites. BTW that's a very common pattern in baroque/church music... full circle!

Other obvious self-references include the almost perfect copy of the "Systems of romance" synth solo in "Invisible Women" - listen @ about 3.30... and of course "Making Movies" and "Underwater Dreamsex" sharing the same chords, structure and a good deal of the melody too. Just try playing them one on top of the other... or download my Making Movies dub mix @ Transplant the Romance
Ciao,
Luca

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#1069 - Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:17:00 Re: Songs that recycle the Underpass riff
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Hi Luca
I loved the two remixes you done earlier in the year. Have you done anymore recently?
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Regards
Peter

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#1070 - Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:51:00 Re: Songs that recycle the Underpass riff
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The 'Pater Noster' riff's more than a little similiar too...

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#1071 - Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:13:00 Re: Songs that recycle the Underpass riff
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Oh yeah true - just a bit slower. I knew there was another one!

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#1072 - Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:41:00 Re: Songs that recycle the Underpass riff
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IMHO anyone with a little classical music background would immediately hear a connection between these riffs and the theme of the famous "Toccata and fugue in D minor" - J. S. Bach laugh
It's not plagiarism, of course - it's just the kind of pattern you'd need to set a "church-music" mood.

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