you think that there will be a new album, so "brilliant" is not selling?

Well I bleieve that when the dust settles that album will sell around 50k which to me means that they have a hard core "superfan" base.

Now the question is do they want to make money? if they did they could probably make more than enough money untill they decide to stop making music.

I would go into detail as to how but I can't as it wasnt my idea.

I want them to keep going and making this wonderous music.

ME TOO and that is why with my friends, I still

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I think the tour will make them more money.. a lot more lucrative...

I think the tour will make them more money.. a lot more lucrative... [/quote]

Depends on whether they did a 360 deal though?

If they decide they want to make another album they will. They are not about money never have been never will be. Most bands make any money through live shows these days anyway cd's unless they shift loads are not big earners. Love to see the band sell downloads and or cds of the tour and there will be another live cd/dvd hopefully a Blu Ray this time !!

Maybe they could sell usbs or cds of the live shows on the night like some bands have done before, so people can have a recording of the show they just saw if they are willing to wait around after to buy them.

Everyone had mouths to feed, bills to pay I just hope we get another album

I think as I have said before, its a 'lets see if we can do it again lads' type of thing... and they can.... whether that means its enough to do another record only time will tell....

all of them have music running through their viens but does Midge or Billy prefer working solo or do they really enjoy working together again....

I actually think if another album comes out it will be better than this one as they really tried hard to sound like how they used to for continuity ...

Some money must be earned via Spotify. The new tracks are played very much. Just Dancing and Vienna are more played in Sweden.

Really thats interesting. I just think thats what came out when the worked together tbh. Don't think the music was contrived to come out like that it just did

Zillion plays = 50p :-(

Thanks for answering my question, Numanoid.

maybe so.... but I just think another album would sound different from this and might come out more experimental...

but its all supposition...

Well, from what I read in here, it looks like Ultravox have the most justified right in the world to be jealous about Marillion's fan base. Less talk, more action there apparently...

It goes without saying that everyone is entitled to like or dislike or half-like the album. Although - and this is my very own, personal opinion - I would find it a bit more elegant NOT to post a dislike opinion in here. Especially after 28 years, and with all the enthusiasm, time, effort etc. the band put into this new project. They read in here, some more, some less, but it's a fact. It's not particularly motivating to read that your new album is crap supposedly...

To be honest: I find this album much more exciting, powerful and dynamic than "Lament"!!

Pessimism is not a British characteristic. It concerns 90% of the population. People live in fear (with few exceptions). And in order not to face things, they invent all sorts of excuses. When real life out there is much more exciting!!

And why talk about the next album already when we (as a fan base) can't even deal with the current one? Always on the run, are we?

I am a part of that fan base and have been for 28 years. They do wonderful things lots of product for fans different set lists if they play two nights in one place etc..
But imho all the good they do doesn't actually make a huge difference to the fanbase. I think their may have been a small increase over the years of all the action but really not that huge. The albums don't sell hugely outside the fanbase and the gigs don't draw loads of new fans. The size of venues has stayed the same the last few years when all this action has taken place.
Don't get me wrong I love the band (although the last couple of albums were not as good as 2004 masterpiece Marbles) and I truly admore the work they put in but I really do think that despite all the action they really haven't moved on that much the last few years.

Nope. Gaga recently received a cheque for about $150 for TEN MILLION plays of Poker Face on Spotify. Go figure as our American cousins say.

Might it be a good idea for Emmie to sell copies of Brilliant on the tour? For all those casual fans i.e those that bought some of the big hits back in the day and are curious to hear the new material.

People who care enough about a band to spend time talking about it on websites are probably no more than 1% of the people who buy the albums and go to concerts. We are not representative of the people who bought all those copies of Vienna, we're the extreme fringe element, and after 30 years, we're the only ones who care.

I'm 49. Nobody I know (in real life as opposed to online) buys as much music in a year as I buy in a month. Nobody my age knows much about current music, other than the unavoidably big names, and as for what they loved 30 years ago, well, they listen to that occasionally, but they don't really care if there's a new Madonna or Rolling Stones or Bruce Springsteen or Human League or whatever album out because they aren't 19 any more and just don't connect to music the way they used to. In my experience, most people stop caring much about music by the time they hit 30 or so.

I'm glad Ultravox is back, I'm glad they made a solid new album that doesn't embarrass them or taint the brand, I expect them to have a few more big concert tours, and I expect any new music they release to sell to the existing fan base, not to expand much beyond it. (Besides, any young new fans will just download the music without paying for it.)

So I don't expect Ultravox to top the charts and sell millions in 2012. Is it even necessary? The boys are back, they seem to be happy judging by the videos, we're happy. What more do we need?

No it doesn't matter if they do top the charts or sell millions, but it would be nice for them wouldn't it

Yes

I do not think it is necessary for the new album to top the charts but I hope it eventually sells well enough that it enables them to work together again in the future and play live.

There are a lot of things where the album goes up the hill. For most part the people who liked them in the past probably have not been interested in the whole music scene for a couple of decades. Secondly the album itself has a rather wide range of emotions on it and as such requires a receptive and open minded listener. It's great, but only if you really listen to it. Unless you are the type that pays attention to music in your life it will not be easy to "get into" Ultravox. I would say times are different and people have a whole lot more to things buzzing around in the busy lives that they just do not need thoughtful works of art (even if it was pop music).

So there you go.. charts get filled with manufactured simplistic sexy bouncy stuff or the chest pounding metal mania because that type of stuff is good to party to. The sad fact of today's music business is that the manufactured crap is going to dominate "the charts".

Important deal here is that it kind of means less because of this whole internet business allows all kinds of niches in the pop culture to exist. What everyone needs to do is let your friends and other people you can reach to have a chance to experience the stuff you personally love and find exciting. If they do like it and buy the album you have done a great service not only to this community and the band but also enriched someone else's life.

There is no reason to be disappointed with "Brilliant". It's just amazing that we've come from "never going to happen" to band actually proudly creating new excellent music together. It's like words in a song.

Don't you know you'll learn to live again? Soon to find your road to everything.

Jouni Salo - very well said, totally agree with you. Unfortunately a lot of the negative reviews in the press probably come from people who aren't that open-minded and who aren't prepared to take the time to explore the musical depths of this masterpiece.

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Call me slow but... on this FB link I cannot detect any download activity programmed for tomorrow... (?)

I have to agree with Jouni Salo, the album does need a few plays before the tracks get you hooked, We have to remember the guys all have other jobs and commitments, so they can't suddenly appear on a show or festival which gives them the publicity for sales of the CD. Maybe they could have made Brilliant a single on its own with video to test the water and they might have known that an album was going to be successful or not. The concerts will generate interest with all members being in one place, can't wait!